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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:43 pm UTC

Sungura wrote:
Quercus wrote:This is a minor annoyance that barely qualifies as a rant, but does anyone else really dislike the format on youtube etc. of a single person just reading out a script to camera?

If you're going to have animations, or movie clips, or even a slideshow, fine - the visual is offering a lot of information, but otherwise I'd far prefer just to read the script. It's faster, I can more easily skim, skip and check back, I can annotate stuff, I can read it on more devices, it's far more data efficient etc. etc.

I suppose there is some advantage to seeing the person who is authoring the piece, but surely a photo of them accomplishes almost as much as a video.

Also props to the few people that provide transcripts with their videos - that's an ideal solution.

I Agree. This is why I don't like most internet videos when I am searching for information. I want text to read and I want to read it at my pace and easily figure out where the info I need is. Videos are not needed for sooooo many things people make videos for these days. I can see how some people may prefer the format. Not me. I like books.

The worst problem I encounter with that shit is.. video game walkthroughs. I get stuck sometimes, I want to look up some information. Not proud of it, but not denying it either.

I liked the Gamefaq days where people would have a table of contents with a pseudo-random hash-like thing (Chapter 3 : Ice Kingdom [v74na8768a]) so you could just search for that and find the chapter you wanted, or in some cases the game just has obvious parts and you want to find what to do where...

But no, all I can find are walkthrough videos. Where if I turn the sound on, get to listen to some obnoxious voice on a shitty mic talking about upcoming sections ("Don't forget to get torches here, you'll need them in Chapter 5 when the Trollknights attack") and either way, I'm scanning through the 20 minute video looking for the part I'm stuck in, OR I'm looking at his giant list of videos all given shitty punny names (Walkthrough Part 5 - Big Trouble in Ice Castles) that also make it hard to find as... in my hypothetical, I'm in the Ice Kingdom. Is there an Ice Castle later or is that the same thing or....?
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby PeteP » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:58 pm UTC

Though for walkthrough at least used properly it would make sense since it's easier to see where exactly something is etc. Though mostly screenshots work too.

But yeah where I also hate the video thing is say computer stuff that involves the command line. I have seen video explanations for thing that involve entering a few longer commands and they weren't even included in the description… Seriously I find the "explain everything as a video" trend annoying.

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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:17 pm UTC

Something like Portal might need a video walkthrough, I'll grant you.

Most of the stuff I play does not (Isometric RPGs). Sometimes cannot, as gameplay area elements are randomized making a video utterly useless. (Terraria, Roguelikes) And yet people try. I suppose these people just mislabel their "Let's Play" videos, either intentionally or because they are unaware of the proper name.
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Postby Quercus » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:24 pm UTC

PeteP wrote:But yeah where I also hate the video thing is say computer stuff that involves the command line. I have seen video explanations for thing that involve entering a few longer commands and they weren't even included in the description…

Yup, that's particularly annoying, it's like, what do expect me to do? OCR a friggin screenshot? Personal computers were practically invented so we didn't have to do things like manually recopy text. Sucks for the monks who can no longer find gainful employment producing illuminated manuscripts*, but overall it was a boon to society and I think we should keep it.

*Yes, I know I'm playing fast and loose with history here

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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:41 pm UTC

Give it a thousand years, and that'll be the common perception.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby eran_rathan » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:43 pm UTC

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PeteP wrote:But yeah where I also hate the video thing is say computer stuff that involves the command line. I have seen video explanations for thing that involve entering a few longer commands and they weren't even included in the description…

Yup, that's particularly annoying, it's like, what do expect me to do? OCR a friggin screenshot? Personal computers were practically invented so we didn't have to do things like manually recopy text. Sucks for the monks who can no longer find gainful employment producing illuminated manuscripts*, but overall it was a boon to society and I think we should keep it.

*Yes, I know I'm playing fast and loose with history here


Hm. I know a few people who do actually have gainful employment making illuminated manuscripts, medieval miniature portraits, and other such things, but none are monks. Living History ftw!
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SecondTalon wrote:Give it a thousand years, and that'll be the common perception.

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Postby Quercus » Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:40 pm UTC

I'm not sure exactly how my throwaway comment led to this, but I'm glad that it did.

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Postby Sungura » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:23 pm UTC

When doctors don't listen and they ask again and again and again the same question that you said no to just so they finally get like a meh whatever sort of answer and then they hurt you exactly like You warned them. I have nerves on top of some of my veins so you have to do my right arm with a small butterfly needle and this is what I always tell them and they were insistent they couldn't find a vein and that my left one was really easy I was right near the surface so after a lot of times of saying no and finally what the fuck ever and so of course I have shooting pains in my left arm and now my left arm is numb from the elbow down and I have lost all use of it like what always happens and so I'm so fucking mad right now. I shouldn't have to repeatedly say no to the same question over and over again And their apology doesn't exactly give me my arm back now does it
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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:59 pm UTC

When my mum had to have chemo (she's alright now) she scheduled all of her appointments around the one nurse who could find her veins. The ranting that she did to begin with was unbelievable. Like, not enough to have cancer but to get the poison drugs in her, they had to poke her a dozen times to find a vein. She praised this nurse so much.
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Postby Quercus » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:03 pm UTC

Sungura wrote:When doctors don't listen and they ask again and again and again the same question that you said no to just so they finally get like a meh whatever sort of answer and then they hurt you exactly like You warned them. I have nerves on top of some of my veins so you have to do my right arm with a small butterfly needle and this is what I always tell them and they were insistent they couldn't find a vein and that my left one was really easy I was right near the surface so after a lot of times of saying no and finally what the fuck ever and so of course I have shooting pains in my left arm and now my left arm is numb from the elbow down and I have lost all use of it like what always happens and so I'm so fucking mad right now. I shouldn't have to repeatedly say no to the same question over and over again And their apology doesn't exactly give me my arm back now does it


:( That sucks. Wearing someone down until they agree to something isn't really what informed consent is meant to be about.

I'm sure you already know this, but just in case, try to make sure you are really, really well hydrated before anyone takes blood (won't help with the nerves thing, but should make it easier to find veins in places you don't have nerves).

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Postby Sungura » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:13 pm UTC

Yeah I know I just need them to listen to me. And I know I don't have an M.D. But I do know a little bit about medical stuff because of working in a lab and having the same first your courses all the med students had for my graduate work and I can certainly find my own Vein. Maybe I should've just stuck myself. It's just kind of hard to get the right angle on your own body but I can feel it fine. They never did draw the blood for the test they wanted to run I have to go to another lab for that. I guess the doctors office doesn't employ phlebotomists Who can do their own job. Which now I will have to pay for the blood to be drawn because it's at a different place at the doctors office it's free because I just do it right there but now I get to go pay because they can't do their job and that really pisses me off even more
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Postby Shro » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:58 pm UTC

I have lots of thoughts on this (interacting while female presenting)

I am often not super confident sounding when I say things - not because I am not sure what I am saying has merit, but as a stylistic choice that is useful to me in certain situations - it diffuses tension, preempts escalations, etc. I have noticed that a lot of ladies will use this same stylistic tendency - it's a bit culturally indoctrinated as part of being "ladylike". I have to very consciously take myself out of this mode of speaking when speaking to certain professionals - especially ones where arrogance or brusqueness is considered a sign of status (doctors being very high up on that list).

This "code switching" has been very important to getting previously shy Shro what she wants.
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Postby addams » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:01 pm UTC

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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby bluebambue » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:17 am UTC

re: videos reading off scripts
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I actually really like the short educational/intellectually interesting videos that mostly comprise a usually-white-dude speaking into a camera. I find them emotionally engaging and it's easier to see the human behind the work, so I "bond" with the human, and so I come back for more. Although I do enjoy reading things, sometimes I'm looking for something a bit more light weight/easier to consume. It's also more likely to get me excited about topics that I'm not normally particularly interested in and so does broaden my horizons.

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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:10 pm UTC

So I'm part of a roleplaying game that happens every weekend and one of our players is very - frustrating to play with. He keeps backseat gm'ing and two weeks ago killed his character out of what seemed like spite. It was decided that this character was not killed in an effort to stop having to re-stat an entire new character but he would have to make a daring escape. This took all of 40 minutes at the start of the session and then he killed his character anyway.

He's constantly telling the GM that he knows more about the world, plays better NPCs and vetoes what the GM says. He claims that he doesn't metagame but about 80% of the times he vetoes the GM's decisions it's in a way that allows his characters to be exceptionally smart and scheming.

It's kind of ruining my experience with this whole thing because everyone else is great. I also forgot that last time I was playing with this particular group of people I told myself that I wouldn't play again because of this player. I'm kind of sick of this guy.
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Postby Zohar » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:54 pm UTC

That sucks. Finding a good gaming group is hard. Unsolicited advice:
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Do other people feel similarly? Has anyone told this player to stop being an ass? Have there been sanctions threatened against him (e.g. "Listen, it's not fun for us to interact in this way, so please try to accommodate the group's social rules, or we won't play with you anymore? It's not that you're a bad person, we just don't seem to enjoy playing in the same way that you enjoy it bla bla bla")
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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:31 am UTC

I think a lot of the people in this group accept (with a certain amount of joking) that it's the cost of playing a game with him. I'm not really sure how I can phrase this. His personality type can be very - abrasive sometimes. & I'm also not quite as laid-back as the rest of the people are. So while others appear to be aware of the backseat GM'ing, it's not that huge a deal for them. I might just mention it to the GM and see what he thinks.

It was just that the two weeks ago 'killing his character out of spite' and this week's 'killing himself out of spite' was buffered by the fact that only me and one other player were able to be there last week and we had rip-roaring fun in a flashback.
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Postby Zohar » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:41 pm UTC

Fractal_Tangent wrote:I'm also not quite as laid-back as the rest of the people are.

Ponies. I hate it when I turn out the nitpicker in a group about rules or something... Other advice - make annoying-player-bingo?
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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:52 pm UTC

Oh, that could work. I might just institute a 'F_Thas to have had this much to drink before she starts playing' rule. Though I do not want to end up with cirrhosis of the liver.

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Fractal_Tangent wrote:Oh, that could work. I might just institute a 'Bella has to have had this much to drink before she starts playing' rule. Though I do not want to end up with cirrhosis of the liver.

Also create "Obnoxious RPer" twitter account or something and livetweet the annoyance.
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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:40 pm UTC

I hope I'm not the nitpicker person. The biggest argument I can think of I've been in was regarding damage on a critical hit (the group was improperly adding the flat bonuses) which was... super important as my character's entire build revolved around those flat bonuses multiplying in to the damage, as they were easily 1/3rd of his crit damage. But even then, I just went "wait, what? That's not right.. that's not right at all.. but whatever, I do 35 instead of 47 damage." *looks up rule* "Here's the exact wording on what I was talking about" DM "Oh, okay then"

I know I've dropped in with a "Wait, is that right because I thought blah, or are you doing them different?" and dropped it entirely when the DM responds that they're different. At later made jokes at my expense when I forgot that they were different and acted as though they weren't ("Maybe I should drop my int to 8, amirite?")
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Postby Wednesday » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:43 pm UTC

Just got hit while riding my motorcycle. This...fucking sucks.
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Postby Quercus » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:45 pm UTC

Yikes, that does suck. Hope you're okay.

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I'm mostly fine. Escaped a few potentially bad injuries because I was wearing all of my gear. Bruised ribs and shoulder, small burn on my right leg from the exhaust, right hand is fucked from getting pinned between front brake and throttle. Beautiful bruises sprouting on my left thigh too. Was pinned between two trucks while stopped at a stoplight and the one on my left turned left, with the rear bed turning into me and shoving me against the truck double-parking on the right. My bike is probably fine, was safe to drive away from the accident. She's a tank, and that's why I bought her. Left rear blinker is fucked, brake is double-timing because of an unknown short (could be the blinker) and the wheel has a decent sized dent. Overall she's in much better shape than I am.
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Postby Quercus » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:00 pm UTC

Wednesday wrote:Was pinned between two trucks while stopped at a stoplight and the one on my left turned left, with the rear bed turning into me and shoving me against the truck double-parking on the right.

That sounds horrible. Take care and I hope that your healing is uneventful and your bike is easily repaired.

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Postby PolakoVoador » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:15 pm UTC

Wednesday wrote:Just got hit while riding my motorcycle. This...fucking sucks.


Hope you are ok :(

Ninja'ed with more details

Glad you escaped what could be a very bad accident with mild inuries. Wish you a fast and good recovery

About the RPG stuff:

Spoiler:
Usually the GM has the last word on most of the issues at a table. Talking to them about the problem was, I believe, the best possible action.

SecondTalon, what you describe doesn't sound nitpicker to me. I don't mind being corrected about the rules by a more knowledgeable player, and if you can easily understand when the GM decides to use different rules, all is good :) The problem arises when the player or the GM or both are a little more confrontational (which seems to be one of the problems F_T describes btw)

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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:33 pm UTC

Oh, sure. The problem is I'm the one describing my own behavior.

For all I know, to an outside observer, I'm an asshole raging about something inconsequential for 2 hours straight.
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I hope you feel better soon!
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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:46 pm UTC

I don't mind nitpicking a little on the rules - that's just clarifying things. It's more like:
Him: I'm going to use my +2 modifier because of [reason]
GM: No, that's not a good reason, we're not doing anything like that at the moment
Him: Ah, see, my character is [thing we've never heard of] and so thinks about the problem like this! That's the reason I'm using my modifier!
GM: Not really seeing it...?
Him: Well, my character is definitely [thing] and is definitely thinking about it like this! So I get to use my modifier.
One time, me: Do you think you're metagaming a little? You're making your character smarter than they would necessarily be, a bit like your level smarts.
Him: No! If I was metagaming, I would do it much more intelligently, I would do it [unfeasible way that he's just pulled out of his ass]. You would know that if you understood that my character is [thing]!


It's the pulling of the character traits out of his ass/not allowing the GM to have veto/doing things out of spite.


Also, yikes for falling of the bike, that sounds pants. I hope you're ok.
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Postby TaintedDeity » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:48 pm UTC

Geez, getting hit by a truck while on a bike does not sound fun. Did you get any details on the truck? Glad you got out reasonably ok.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Yablo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:26 pm UTC

My wife's sister and her family moved here last March, and as it's an expensive place to get established, we gladly gave them the bottom half of the house we're renting so they could save up and get a place. After a few months, it was decided that they would just continue to live with us and pay what they could to help out. They were still going to be saving more slowly and paying off old debts, etc ... At some point while giving us about $100 or so each month, they got rid of their old car and bought two new ones.

My wife and I asked them to help out a little more since we were taking on more bills (another cable box, more cable channels, more expensive internet package, etc ...) to accommodate them at their request. They agreed to give us a few hundred more each month, but that lasted one month before my sister-in-law quit her job. Then they were back to giving us about $100. A couple months later, she had a job again, and we asked them to pay 1/4 of the rent and bills (about $800), but she said basically "Oh, we're moving back to where we came from anyway. We already have our ferry tickets, but we need to save up, so we can't give you anything."

Okay, fine. You've hardly paid anything for half of MY house this long. Why not live with me for nothing while you save up. At least you'll be gone. Fast forward to the day they said they were leaving. "Oh, no. We love it here. We don't want to move." *sigh* Well, could they start helping us out with rent and bills? They'd love to, but she just quit her job to go to an online school full time. They could cover the electric bill every month since they only had the one income. Fine. You're getting an education, so we can make do. Our personal bills are falling behind, but whatever. I'm all for helping people better themselves.

Guess what! Your sister, my wife, is pregnant, and for June and July, she'll be out of work with the baby. They said that was fine because my sister-in-law was going to be done with school by then. Fast forward again, and we have a baby. He's beautiful, he's the most wonderful thing ever, he's exhausting and expensive. We've only got my income for two months, but the in-laws said they could help, right? First month with the baby, and only my paycheck ... nothing more, but at least they're paying the electric bill. Oh, hey. Look at this. It's a freaking DISCONNECT notice. What they hell have you people been doing? Look, just pay it now, and we're fine. They said they did (turns out they paid just enough for them to not disconnect).

They're both working, and my wife isn't. It's time for them to finally start paying for half of everything since they're using half of everything. Just like last time, "Oh, we're moving out of state, so we're not going to give you anything." Fine. Get out, please. They decide to sell off furniture, and they say they're moving in with my father and step-mother for a few months until their ferry leaves. Fine. Get out by the end of the month.

My father finds out that they plan to move out of state, and he tells them that wasn't the deal. They could stay if they were saving to get their own place here, but he's not going to help them run away or move backward. My sister-in-law has plenty of choice words for him and comes back to tell us they're staying with us until mid-September. Are they going to pay half the rent and bills? No. They have to save up to move.

Fine. Get out. But they don't have anywhere to go. Fine. The kids can stay, and we'll make sure they have everything they need. You can live in your new cars. Of course I didn't say that, but it's the thought that keeps me up at night. So what do I do? I can't throw them out because they have nowhere else to go. It was their choice, and my family shouldn't suffer because they screwed us over and used us, thought they had a better deal, and found out it fell through. If I say anything, I cause problems with my wife, with my in-laws, or both. If I don't say anything, I make myself sick.

Just get out.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:01 pm UTC

Fractal_Tangent wrote:I don't mind nitpicking a little on the rules - that's just clarifying things. It's more like:
Him: I'm going to use my +2 modifier because of [reason]
GM: No, that's not a good reason, we're not doing anything like that at the moment
Him: Ah, see, my character is [thing we've never heard of] and so thinks about the problem like this! That's the reason I'm using my modifier!
GM: Not really seeing it...?
Him: Well, my character is definitely [thing] and is definitely thinking about it like this! So I get to use my modifier.
One time, me: Do you think you're metagaming a little? You're making your character smarter than they would necessarily be, a bit like your level smarts.
Him: No! If I was metagaming, I would do it much more intelligently, I would do it [unfeasible way that he's just pulled out of his ass]. You would know that if you understood that my character is [thing]!


... assuming D&D/Pathfinder, that's not how it works. You get the modifier when it applies. Doesn't matter if your character knows it applies or not, you get the modifier only when it applies. If, for example, you're a Ranger with +4 versus Elves and some Elf wanders in with an illusion on that makes them look like a dwarf and, for whatever reason, you stab the everliving shit out of the "dwarf", you'll do +4 damage because of your bonus vs. Elves.

At best, the DM can, in that case, drop a "The attack seems surprisingly effective" to give you a heads up. Or reverse it, you don't get the +4 and the DM can say "Your attack doesn't seem to hit as it should" if they want.

Or not. Whatever. Point being, your character can believe whatever the fuck you want your character to believe, the modifiers only apply when applicable. (And it wouldn't be applicable if the Elf was shapeshifted as, under the rules, they no longer count as Humanoid (Elf) but as whatever they're shaped as. Of course, if a Ranger has a bonus vs that thing but no bonuses vs. elves, they'll suddenly be stabbing the everliving shit out of Carl, the Elf shapeshifted as an ooze or whatever)

That's how the whole Elven 1in6 chance to spot a hidden door thing works. Elf doesn't even have to be looking, just a 1 in 6 chance of the elf saying "Oh, neat, there's totally a door here that I just saw, how crazy is that?"

(As I said, this is for D&D/Pathfinder systems. I cannot speak of other systems regarding character belief modifying rolls, but outside of systems like Fung Shue, I cannot see it being much different either, or else everyone would just roll with characters who genuinely honestly totally believe they're in a situation where the bonuses would apply)

So yeah, throw a shoe at the person. They aren't metagaming, they're fucking cheating. At a tabletop RPG.

I've played with Metagamers. Metagamers swing with torches as "it was the first handy thing and I panicked a little" at trolls without their character knowing about the regeneration thing. Metagamers treat another player as a potential hostile when the DM and the player step out of the room for a few moments and come back without explanation. Metagamers, in a fight where they literally meet the wizard for the first time and before the wizard has acted in a way that identifies himself as such, metagamers conveniently step out of the way for perfect lighting bolt placement.

Cheaters add in bonuses when no bonuses should be added.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Wednesday » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:36 pm UTC

TaintedDeity wrote:Geez, getting hit by a truck while on a bike does not sound fun. Did you get any details on the truck? Glad you got out reasonably ok.

From the post I made on FB in the riders group I'm part of :
I was hit on the bike this morning while stopped at the intersection of <street> and <street> heading towards <location> Square. Pulled up next to a truck that was unloading and double parked and was stopped for 15 seconds or so without trouble. A pickup pulled up from behind me after sitting there for a few seconds, fully aware of my existence, and tried to turn left on red. This involved crossing the double yellows to my left. He swiped me with the rear of the truck bed as he was turning and pinned me against the truck on my right, with my right leg between the truck and my exhaust. If I hadn't been wearing my riding pants or I had been riding for more than 45 seconds I would have definitely been burned very badly. He stopped with me pinned to get out and see what had happened. My left side would have taken a lot more of a beating if I hadn't been wearing my padded jacket, and I don't know right now if I have any cracked or bruised bits and pieces.
Basically, holy shit be safe guys. Boston traffic is fucking terrifying and I've never been more aware of the bullshit drivers try to pull here than after this morning. My bike is probably fine, she's a tanky tank and only lost the rear left blinker as far as I can tell. Also, Somerville cops were cool to me, one of them rides and helped me make sure my bike was okay to ride to work from the accident on. I think I'm fine, I think she's fine, the driver was arrested, and I have insurance info, but I'm shaken to hell.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Yablo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:52 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:... assuming D&D/Pathfinder, that's not how it works. You get the modifier when it applies. Doesn't matter if your character knows it applies or not, you get the modifier only when it applies. If, for example, you're a Ranger with +4 versus Elves and some Elf wanders in with an illusion on that makes them look like a dwarf and, for whatever reason, you stab the everliving shit out of the "dwarf", you'll do +4 damage because of your bonus vs. Elves.

At best, the DM can, in that case, drop a "The attack seems surprisingly effective" to give you a heads up. Or reverse it, you don't get the +4 and the DM can say "Your attack doesn't seem to hit as it should" if they want.

Or not. Whatever. Point being, your character can believe whatever the fuck you want your character to believe, the modifiers only apply when applicable. (And it wouldn't be applicable if the Elf was shapeshifted as, under the rules, they no longer count as Humanoid (Elf) but as whatever they're shaped as. Of course, if a Ranger has a bonus vs that thing but no bonuses vs. elves, they'll suddenly be stabbing the everliving shit out of Carl, the Elf shapeshifted as an ooze or whatever)

That's how the whole Elven 1in6 chance to spot a hidden door thing works. Elf doesn't even have to be looking, just a 1 in 6 chance of the elf saying "Oh, neat, there's totally a door here that I just saw, how crazy is that?"

(As I said, this is for D&D/Pathfinder systems. I cannot speak of other systems regarding character belief modifying rolls, but outside of systems like Fung Shue, I cannot see it being much different either, or else everyone would just roll with characters who genuinely honestly totally believe they're in a situation where the bonuses would apply)

So yeah, throw a shoe at the person. They aren't metagaming, they're fucking cheating. At a tabletop RPG.

I've played with Metagamers. Metagamers swing with torches as "it was the first handy thing and I panicked a little" at trolls without their character knowing about the regeneration thing. Metagamers treat another player as a potential hostile when the DM and the player step out of the room for a few moments and come back without explanation. Metagamers, in a fight where they literally meet the wizard for the first time and before the wizard has acted in a way that identifies himself as such, metagamers conveniently step out of the way for perfect lighting bolt placement.

Cheaters add in bonuses when no bonuses should be added.

As someone who has been roleplaying (with many different game systems) for roughly 70.27% of his life and spent damned near all of it DMing, I've got to say that SecondTalon is exactly right. To the example of the elf-hating ranger, if you encounter an elf disguised or under an illusion, I'm probably going to give you a good chance of just sensing an elf in the area anyway. If you still can't see through it, your bonuses are still going to apply, but I just won't tell you why. If it's something else disguised or under illusion to appear like an elf, it's not an elf. I'll likely give you the same chance as before to sense the absence of elves in the area, but if you still can't see through it, I'll expect you to choose that target (unless an obviously higher-priority target is available) as it would be in character for you, but you won't get your bonuses.

When an issue pops up, the DM makes a call. If you don't agree, say so and maybe give a brief explanation. If the DM sticks with the call, that's that. End of story at least until after the game session. Game time is too valuable to be spent arguing over rules.

Long story short, the player in Fractal_Tangent's post is not metagaming. As SecondTalon notes, that player is straight up cheating.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Fractal_Tangent » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:29 pm UTC

We're playing World of Darkness I think? We're not very good at sticking strictly to rules and kind of play it fast and loose with how things work. It's generally [x] means you do something that would be good, [x+3] is doing something impressive, [x+6] is master level etc.

You have characteristics that let you +2 as and when you need to if you can blag it into a situation so something like,

GM: It's 15 to pass
Him: *roles 14* ah, but because I'm a tall guy, I can +2!
GM: This isn't the type of situation where being tall is an advantage, so no?
Him: Oh, but I am tall and also flexible, therefore +2
GM: You've never mentioned being flexible before...

If the situation was more like fighting someone really tall and he was also really tall the +2 could have been allowed. Or if he was trying to reach for something? I dunno. It's just that he attempts to give himself ridiculous advantages when he's really not supposed to.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby PolakoVoador » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:07 pm UTC

If your group plays fast and loose with the rules then it's even more important to respect the GM calls.

Yablo wrote:When an issue pops up, the DM makes a call. If you don't agree, say so and maybe give a brief explanation. If the DM sticks with the call, that's that. End of story at least until after the game session. Game time is too valuable to be spent arguing over rules.

Also, so much this. Pushing the matter after the GM made a decision is bad manners at the table and just makes the experience worst for all involved.

Your "friend" is just a cheating asshat.

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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby poxic » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:38 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:My wife's sister and her family moved here last March, and as it's an expensive place to get established, we gladly gave them the bottom half of the house we're renting so they could save up and get a place.
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Just get out.

Can you talk this over with your father? He might have some advice on how to address things with your sister-in-law. You're being taken advantage of, family or no. Sounds like they'll continue to sponge off you for as long as you will tolerate it.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Yablo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:59 pm UTC

poxic wrote:Can you talk this over with your father? He might have some advice on how to address things with your sister-in-law. You're being taken advantage of, family or no. Sounds like they'll continue to sponge off you for as long as you will tolerate it.

I haven't said anything about it to my father, but my sister-in-law talks to my step mother all the time, so they hear half of the story. My father already told me I should try to mediate so my wife and her sister don't say and do things they can't take back, but he doesn't know anything but the in-laws' side.

With the new baby and lack of sleep, my wife is already stressed enough. Her other two kids have been here for the summer, and they go back Friday morning, so that's stressing her more. It was my wife's birthday yesterday, and she didn't say a word to me or respond with more than a shrug or a grunt until I'd been home for an hour. I cleaned the house, fed the kids (twice because they can't eat just one thing, at the same time, or even all at once), and I made a really nice dinner. Things were looking up, but somehow we ended up nearly fighting about her sister, and we never fight. She's on my side; I know she is, and if anything, she's more hurt over this than I am. It's just that she doesn't like confrontation, she wants everyone to be happy and to act like decent adults, and I think she still has pregnancy hormones screwing with her.

She came really close to yelling at me because she felt like I was saying we needed to throw her sister's family to the curb. That's what I was thinking, but I would never say it. I don't want anyone to be homeless, but with the way they've been treating my family, something has to change, and if it doesn't happen soon, I feel like something really bad is going to happen. Whatever the case, she didn't come to bed last night. She slept on the couch with the baby in his rocker.

This is my house, and I get physically sick just getting home from work and seeing my in-laws' cars in my driveway. I don't care who you are, or what you're trying to do; there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for me to allow myself to feel like I don't want to come home.


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