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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby ucim » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:52 am UTC

jobriath wrote:Worth observing that "there you are!" contains all of the information of "here I am!"
But the point of saying "Here I am" or "There you are" (whether said literally or by attitude) is not to convey new information. It is to stress the importance of a piece of already-known information.

In one case, it stresses the idea that "it is important to the room that they know that I am here" (I am important.)

In the other case, it stresses the idea that "it is important to me that you are here" (You are important.)

ThirdParty wrote:Suppose what was in question was not the meeting of two people, but an inanimate object. "Here it is!" would mean I'd come to bring something to you; "there it is!" would mean I'd come to take something from you.
This reminds me of the difference between (the Spanish words) "aquí" and "acá". Both mean "here", but the latter contains the sense "from further away".

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:12 am UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
addams wrote:There may only be two kind of people.
I heard there are four kinds of men.

1. A man that Knows and Knows he Knows.
2. A man that Knows and does Not Know he Knows.
3. A man that does Not Know and Knows he does Not Know.
4. A man that does Not Know and does Not Know he does Not Know.

What kind of man are you?
Does it give you a bad case of Dunning–Kruger?

It depends on the situation
Sometimes I am a man that Knows and Knows he Knows.
Sometimes I am a man that Knows and does Not Know he Knows.
Sometimes I am a man that does Not Know and Knows he does Not Know.
Sometimes I am a man that does Not Know and does Not Know he does Not Know.
I try to minimize those cases. People in that situation are dangerous.

ahh. Yes.
You have gone to The Heart of The Matter.

People that Think they know a great deal more than they Do know, are dangerous.
You and I do not want to be dangerous. We have both worked to avoid being #4.

I've been spoken to about my #2 tendencies.
"There has Got to be someone that knows More about this than I do" was almost my moto.

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Magnanimous » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:17 am UTC

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Postby addams » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:14 am UTC

Magnanimous wrote:New avatar from the webcomic Paranatural. Mr. Spender has weaponized bishie sparkles.

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Adacore » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:26 pm UTC

Both "here I am" and "there you are" seem pretty self-centered to me. Both can sometimes have a positive meaning, but I'd normally interpret "here I am" to mean "I am the most important person in this room", and "there you are" to mean "stop what you're doing (say, hiding from an egotistical asshole) and pay attention to me instead".

When walking into this situation, I'd normally say 'hey'. Possibly 'hi'. Or maybe nothing.

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Postby roband » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:30 pm UTC

Watz poppin'?

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:08 am UTC

AHHH!!
It's You!!

(run!)
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Well, here we are!
Neil_Boekend wrote:
addams wrote:There may only be two kind of people.
I heard there are four kinds of men.

1. A man that Knows and Knows he Knows.
2. A man that Knows and does Not Know he Knows.
3. A man that does Not Know and Knows he does Not Know.
4. A man that does Not Know and does Not Know he does Not Know.

What kind of man are you?
Does it give you a bad case of Dunning–Kruger?

It depends on the situation
Sometimes I am a man that Knows and Knows he Knows.
Sometimes I am a man that Knows and does Not Know he Knows.
Sometimes I am a man that does Not Know and Knows he does Not Know.
Sometimes I am a man that does Not Know and does Not Know he does Not Know. I try to minimize those cases. People in that situation are dangerous.
That's pretty much how I answered addams when she asked me. The catch with minimising case 4 is that it's hard to minimise an unknown unknown.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby elminster » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:56 am UTC

The other day I bought something with cash using an self service checkout; it gave me 50p change in 5p coins. The next day I went back and put in £1.10 worth of 5p coins. I gave it a taste of it's own medicine, it felt like a small victory.
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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:14 am UTC

I think they take 1ps and 2ps so I paid for some of the bakery cookies entirely in 1 and 2ps. That was pretty fun.
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Postby suffer-cait » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:21 am UTC

i do that regularily in some, how i get rid of spare change.
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Postby Quercus » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:25 am UTC

My bank has a coin sorter on one of its paying in machines so I just wait till I have a whole jarful, then tip all the coins in there. It's quite satisfying to watch - the coins go into the machine on a little conveyor belt.

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Postby suffer-cait » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:25 am UTC

and you get the full amount? awesome
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Postby Quercus » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:15 am UTC

suffer-cait wrote:and you get the full amount? awesome


Indeed, it pays it directly into my bank account - they tend to only have them at the larger branches (UK), but it beats giving coinstar 5%, or sorting coins by hand.

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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:21 am UTC

Yeah, there's one in a bank close to my parent's house. When I was cleaning toilets, I got £100 in tips - all in change had to just stick it all in the coinsorter machine and I got all the money. I really hate those coinsorter ones at supermarkets that take 5% or something. I think the last time it took 11p for every £1 which is kind of a rip off.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Yablo » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:53 pm UTC

So many people I know only use cards or bills. Any time they have coins, they pretty much just toss them aside. Personally, I like to pay with exact change when I deal with a human cashier, so I keep my coins. I also like to collect everyone else's coins, and dump them into the self-checkout machines at the store. The receipt records each coin by printing the new balance, so I tend to have reeeealy long receipts.
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Postby Quercus » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:03 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:Any time they have coins, they pretty much just toss them aside.


I can't do this - it just seems wrong to throw away money. I think it's one of those things that I was taught so early on as a kid that it has become engrained. I have 4 euro cent coins from the last time I went to France in my desk drawer that I can't bring myself to throw away.

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby eran_rathan » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:06 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:
Yablo wrote:Any time they have coins, they pretty much just toss them aside.


I can't do this - it just seems wrong to throw away money. I think it's one of those things that I was taught so early on as a kid that it has become engrained. I have 4 euro cent coins from the last time I went to France in my desk drawer that I can't bring myself to throw away.



I've got a ton of old French francs, Spanish pesetas, and a bunch of other pre-Euro coins lying around. I wonder if they are worth anything.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby ObsessoMom » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:20 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:
Yablo wrote:Any time they have coins, they pretty much just toss them aside.


I can't do this - it just seems wrong to throw away money. I think it's one of those things that I was taught so early on as a kid that it has become engrained. I have 4 euro cent coins from the last time I went to France in my desk drawer that I can't bring myself to throw away.


LOL! We celebrated my parents' 40th wedding anniversary with a champagne brunch at a fancy hotel. We arrived early, so while killing time, waiting for the restaurant to prepare the table for our large party, my husband and I were giving pennies to our kids and their cousins to throw into the fountain outside. One of our nieces appeared late and wanted to participate, but we had already used up all our pennies, so my husband handed her a nickel. "HOLD ON," her father (my brother-in-law) shouted, and came running over to stop her. "I don't mind her throwing pennies away, but a NICKEL? That's REAL money!" He made her hand the nickel back to my husband. At which point my husband realized, "Hmmm, I was planning to ask him to split the bill for the brunch, but if he's that much of a tightwad...." (Sure enough, my husband ended up paying for the whole thing.)

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Yablo » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:35 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:I have 4 euro cent coins from the last time I went to France in my desk drawer that I can't bring myself to throw away.

I still have coins and bills from when I went to South Korea several years ago. I tell myself I'm keeping them as a souvenir, but I know deep down that some part of me is saying "Dude, that's money. You might go back some day, and you'll be needing it if you do."

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Quercus wrote:"I don't mind her throwing pennies away, but a NICKEL? That's REAL money!"

ha! That's totally something I would say, but I would actually be about 80% joking. Well ... 75%, maybe. Now that I think about it, I would probably try to buy the nickel from her for four pennies. Win/Win.
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Postby Quercus » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:13 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:
Quercus wrote:I have 4 euro cent coins from the last time I went to France in my desk drawer that I can't bring myself to throw away.

I still have coins and bills from when I went to South Korea several years ago. I tell myself I'm keeping them as a souvenir, but I know deep down that some part of me is saying "Dude, that's money. You might go back some day, and you'll be needing it if you do."


My grandfather has a 10 trillion dollar note which he brought back from Zimbabwe when he passed through there on a trip a few years back. Hyperinflation is scary.

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:29 pm UTC

eran_rathan wrote:
Quercus wrote:
Yablo wrote:Any time they have coins, they pretty much just toss them aside.


I can't do this - it just seems wrong to throw away money. I think it's one of those things that I was taught so early on as a kid that it has become engrained. I have 4 euro cent coins from the last time I went to France in my desk drawer that I can't bring myself to throw away.



I've got a ton of old French francs, Spanish pesetas, and a bunch of other pre-Euro coins lying around. I wonder if they are worth anything.

At one time, I had a pretty Chinese Box covered in silk with an old fashioned slip through clasp.

Inside that box was Money.
Loads of Funny Money.

Bills and Coins.
I liked that box and its contents.

Everybody had their own Money, before the Euro.
That Box could start some fun and educational conversations.

I had a round metal box that held Buttons, too.
Some people keep Buttons in glass containers.

Where do you keep your Buttons?
Me?

I don't have extra Buttons nor a Box of Money, anymore.
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Postby Adacore » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:14 am UTC

Yablo wrote:So many people I know only use cards or bills. Any time they have coins, they pretty much just toss them aside. Personally, I like to pay with exact change when I deal with a human cashier, so I keep my coins.

I use my coins pretty much solely for highway tolls, so they gradually accrue in my apartment until I have ~$10 and use the excess to buy groceries or something. The vast majority of my purchases are with cards.

Any 10 or 50 won coins I get as change annoy me. They're effectively worthless, and just serve to clutter up my house until I find someone prepared to take them away (I figure literally throwing away currency is probably illegal).

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Postby Thesh » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:17 am UTC

I still want the US to at the very least get rid of pennies and nickles. I say 10, 20, and 50 cent coins are all we need. Maybe $1 coins to replace $1 bills.
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Postby bigglesworth » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:21 am UTC

I give all my small coins to charity.
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Postby PeteP » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:58 am UTC

I rarely do anything with the coins below 50 cent, though honestly coins below that don't amount to much anyway. Say you use money every three days to buy something and let's say you get on average 25 cent in 20/10/5/2/1 cent coins each time that would only amount to about 30 euro per year. I prefer to just use my ec-card.

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Postby mathmannix » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:45 pm UTC

According to the CPI (source, see Table 24), things generally cost about 23 times what they cost 100 years ago. This is a vast oversimplification, of course. But basically, the value of a penny in 1915 is comparable to a quarter today.

The smallest coinage ever produced in the U.S. was the half-cent, from 1793 to 1857. (There were also 2¢, 3¢, and 20¢ coins at various points through the late 1800s; the set of coins has remained pretty much constant over the past 125 years (1¢, 5¢, 10¢, 25¢, 50¢, $1), except for the intermittent periods of a dollar coin being made; but of course those last longer, and the older ones are still legal tender today, although most surviving Eisenhower dollars (1971-1978) and its predecessors are probably only found in coin collections by now. But I digress.) Point is: if they truly didn't need half-cent coins by 1915, then we don't need pennies, nickels, or even dimes today.
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Postby Xeio » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:37 pm UTC

I literally throw pennies and nickels in the trash. :P

I don't ever carry change, and barely carry cash (I have like $2 in my wallet) so what else am I going to do with it?

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Postby ObsessoMom » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:54 pm UTC

It's illegal in the US to melt coins, but people do it anyway, because the melt value of the copper, zinc, and cupronickel can sometimes be significantly more than the face value of the currency. This is why the copper content of pennies was decreased in 1982: the melt value of each penny had become more than twice the face value, and the government was losing too much money making money.

Pennies:
http://www.coinflation.com/coins/1909-1 ... Value.html
(Keep scrolling to see the collector values for pre-1933 pennies, which can be pretty amazing even for coins that are in mediocre condition.)

Nickels:
http://www.thepennyhoarder.com/hoarding ... th-think/#.

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Postby Angua » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:17 pm UTC

According to the BBC, the rebooted Star Treks do no exist. This can be exemplified by their 'biography' of Leonard Nimoy:
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Postby SecondTalon » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:12 pm UTC

"ABRAMSTREK IS NOT REAL TREK" - BBC News
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Postby Everyone_ » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:59 pm UTC

Everyone knows that.

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Postby Xenomortis » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:36 pm UTC

I just went to finish off a can of coke.
On slinging it back, I missed my mouth and now I have coke down my back.

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Postby Angua » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:24 pm UTC

Reasons to be a hoarder: #....

Going to Guyana by myself for 5 weeks tomorrow and said to my mum 'maybe I should wear a wedding ring to avoid harassment (guidebook seems to think might be a good idea). She goes to her jewellery box and pulls out a wedding ring given to her by a friend that was his mother's after she died. My grandmother's didn't fit me but this one is perfect.

Also,

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Postby Quercus » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:59 pm UTC

Xenomortis wrote:I just went to finish off a can of coke.
On slinging it back, I missed my mouth and now I have coke down my back.

:(

That's more or less how I broke my last keyboard.

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Postby Angua » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:46 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:"ABRAMSTREK IS NOT REAL TREK" - BBC News

They've corrected the article now and have Into Darkness as his last Star Trek film.

Someone obviously pointed out that the biography was dead wrong.
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Postby SecondTalon » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:57 am UTC

Did they also mention the TNG episodes he was in? I think '93ish.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:27 am UTC

Angua wrote:Reasons to be a hoarder: #....

Going to Guyana by myself for 5 weeks tomorrow and said to my mum 'maybe I should wear a wedding ring to avoid harassment (guidebook seems to think might be a good idea). She goes to her jewellery box and pulls out a wedding ring given to her by a friend that was his mother's after she died. My grandmother's didn't fit me but this one is perfect.

Also,

Reasons to choose an elective place where you know a lot of people from: #...
Getting in to the airport at 10.20 at night in two days time. 'Oh no, someone has to come pick you up, let me call my brother-in-law, you can't trust taxis'. Proceeds to phone long distance on mobile.

You live a Charmed Life!

How great is That Ring??
Your Mom Rocks!!

She's the one that said, "Single Servings" about Piglets.
She's funny And has Cool Stuff??

I call, "Not Fair!"
We want Your Mom!

Does she speak with the echo of a dialect. too?
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Fractal_Tangent » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:09 am UTC

Quercus wrote:
Xenomortis wrote:I just went to finish off a can of coke.
On slinging it back, I missed my mouth and now I have coke down my back.

:(

That's more or less how I broke my last keyboard.


Do you guys have a drinking problem?
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Xenomortis » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:14 am UTC

Only in terms of hand-mouth coordination. :wink:
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