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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby poxic » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:57 pm UTC

But less Sneezy.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:04 pm UTC

Less sneezy and more big words.
People like easy reading for fun.

What about, Number the Stars by Lois Lowerlry.
Children's books are sometimes very good.

The Caldecott Award Winners tend to be worth looking at.
They have a fresh crop every year.

http://www.ala.org/alsc/awardsgrants/bo ... decottmeda

The Newberry are more wordy.
The have each been judged.
http://www.ala.org/alsc/awardsgrants/bo ... wberymedal

I've heard good things about, Heart of a Samurai by Margi Preus.
I did not read it.

Beyond this, my Son; Be warned;
The writing of many books is endless;
And; Excessive devotion to books makes weary the flesh.

I read that one. (It's written on The Wall.)
When we study, we sometimes need a nap.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Seven » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:17 am UTC

Quercus wrote:After reading some terrible books and regretting the wasted time I now have a rule that if I don't like a book by 100 pages in I must quit, since then I've quit many books and not regretted it a bit. My logic goes like this: there are more good books than I will ever be able to read, so it's not as if I'm going to run out. There are a few good books which don't get good until after 100 pages: these are acceptable casualties so I don't have to read all the ones which stay bad in order to find then.
I agree with this. I haven't been doing enough reading lately - though I should be. I have the time.

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Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankle.
I read that a few years back. He quotes Nietzsche a lot. I found interesting (and true) the quote: "He who has a why to live can bear with almost any how."

...I think I actually had that as a profile quote for a while.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:34 am UTC

It is a good quote.
It's thought Provoking.

He was writing about extreme conditions.
It's best for most of us to avoid extreme conditions.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Felstaff » Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:58 pm UTC

I've listened to It's Album Time with Todd Terje so much that it's making me want to listen to Chris Rea for some reason.

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby bigglesworth » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:54 pm UTC

That is a damn good album. Just popped Inspector Norse on.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:13 am UTC

I’ve heard people say, “All American cities look the same.”
Those people might have a point.

I have gone into the same small US city four times.
I get Lost.

Lost people are often desperately looking for the familiar.
I was.

One time, as I was looking for street names and numbers that matched the ones on the paper,
I drove around a curve and was flooded with relief and its accompanying Joy.

Only to realize, “Wrong City.”
It looked so familiar.

It happened again.
I was lost, looking for a place to do a U-turn.
As I came around a bend, there I was ...in Santa Rosa.

That’s not Santa Rosa.
It looked and felt and works like Santa Rosa.

US 101 was barreling past on the other side of a chain link fence.
The six lane boulevard was divided with concrete.
All the right business were located in all the proper spots.

It was still not Santa Rosa.
I was strong deja vu.

I stopped and looked around in wonder.
That’s not US 101. That’s I-5.

We have some consistently well made, highly functional roadways.
It can’t be helped. Great roads all look alike.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby mathmannix » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:28 pm UTC

Seven wrote:I read that a few years back. He quotes Nietzsche a lot. I found interesting (and true) the quote: "He who has a why to live can bear with almost any how."

I was disappointed when, upon rereading, realized this referred to living neither like nor with a [cave] bear.

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:40 pm UTC

Do you ever think about Michelangelo?
I was told a funny story about him.

I don't know if it was true.
I wasn't there.

What a Drama Queen.
He worked fucking Hard on that Ceiling.

On some level it was like an Officer or a Teenager being put on House Arrest.
So, funny.

"I'm leaving."
"You can do anything you want to do as long as you Pant the House!"

I was not told what his Boss said.
Other than a defeated, "Yes. You can go play with Da Vinci, now."
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby SurgicalSteel » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:21 am UTC

I wanted to finish my book tonight, but I think I've had too much wine. It's hard to focus.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:31 pm UTC

I saw a red shift.
That light is not moving slower.
It's taking the slow road.

It's a particle.
It's a wave.

edit: The Rainy Day by H. W. Longfellow
Spoiler:
The Rainy Day
The day is cold, and dark, and dreary;
It rains,and the wind is never weary;
The vine still clings to the mouldering wall,
But at every gust the dead leaves fall,
And the day is dark and dreary.

My life is cold, and dark, and dreary;
It rains,and the wind is never weary;
My thoughts still cling to the mouldering past,
But the hopes of youth fall thick in the blast,
And the days are dark and dreary.

Be still, sad heart, and cease repining;
Behind the clouds is the sun still shining;
Thy fate is the common fate of all,
Into each life some rain must fall,
Some days must be dark and dreary.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Seven » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:39 am UTC

mathmannix wrote:
Seven wrote:I read that a few years back. He quotes Nietzsche a lot. I found interesting (and true) the quote: "He who has a why to live can bear with almost any how."
I was disappointed when, upon rereading, realized this referred to living neither like nor with a [cave] bear.

"He who has a why to live like a cave bear can live in almost any how." - Mathmannix
Ahh!! That's good!

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:22 am UTC

Do you ever think about Mark Twain?
I heard some stories about him.

No. I did not know him.
I'm old. I'm not that old.

I read the words, "And; Good health is all they will get for their trouble." Mark Twain.
Did he say or write those words? Maybe. It sounds like him.

He is the one that wrote,
"I can quit smoking any time I want."
"I've done it a Thousand Times."
by Mark Twain.

I wonder who has the first hand written submission of that?
He wrote with paper and pen. I swear. It's true.

Hemingway came along later.
He hated the typewriter.

That is a sad fucking story.
Mark Twain's stories are sometimes funny.

He wrote about the Human Condition as he recognized it, in himself and others.
I read one thing he wrote that was Soo stupid. He hated Portugal.

I wonder what those people did to him.
Not speak English? How rude...

They made him go on a Long Trip and write about it.
He must have had a case of PMS. And; It was Portugal.

Men have BioRhythm stuff happen to them.
They just can't Prove it. Poor things.

edit: Some publisher of some kind offered to send Ole' Sam on a Trip Around The World.
In his essays, it was a wonderful idea, at first.

Maybe, it was like being alone on a tour bus with a bunch of snotty English middle class retirees.
Or; Some such stereotype.

I met a woman that was on a Tour Bus with English and American Retirees.
She bailed out on The Bus and went with me. Tour Bus stories were funny.

What Hell for Mark Twain.
A Tour Bus for 24 Thousand Miles.

Did he bail out in Tahiti?
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1244.Mark_Twain
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby elminster » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:44 am UTC

People actually named Charlie in France have a slightly harder time introducing themselves. "Ah, a supporter of the magazine I see?"
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby PM 2Ring » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:46 am UTC

No, because in French to tell someone your name you don't say the exact French equivalent of "I am Charlie". You say Je m'appelle Charlie which is literally "I me call Charlie", or in more normal English, "I'm called Charlie".

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Giant Speck » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:47 am UTC

I think literally it's more like "they call me Charlie".

Russian is identical in this grammatical construct: Меня зовут Чарли.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:02 am UTC

It's actually "I call myself". "They call me" would, I believe, be "Ils s'appellent". Though that's just in a literal sense and I'm not sure what an actual French speaking person (rather than someone like myself who took a few years of French in highschool) would make of such a construct (in the context of introducing yourself).
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Carlington » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:20 pm UTC

"Ils s'appellent" would be "They call themselves" - "They call me" would be "ils m'appellent", but without a clear anaphor, I think that the reaction would likely be "They...who?"
"Ils" doesn't have the same generic referencing power that "they" does in English, that job is given to the pronoun "on" instead, which, aside from the job of a general "they" in this context, also fills the role equivalent the pronoun "one" in English, and can act as "we" in informal settings.
Even so, "On m'appelle" wouldn't really be said in any context, or if it was then it would be a very marked usage.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Giant Speck » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:40 pm UTC

Whoops. Thank you, guys, for the clarification!
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:45 pm UTC

Speck!
Where have you been?
Did you get caught in a storm?
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:17 am UTC

Carlington wrote:"Ils s'appellent" would be "They call themselves" - "They call me" would be "ils m'appellent", but without a clear anaphor, I think that the reaction would likely be "They...who?"
"Ils" doesn't have the same generic referencing power that "they" does in English, that job is given to the pronoun "on" instead, which, aside from the job of a general "they" in this context, also fills the role equivalent the pronoun "one" in English, and can act as "we" in informal settings.
Even so, "On m'appelle" wouldn't really be said in any context, or if it was then it would be a very marked usage.

Right, yeah, my mistake. Haven't taken any French in like 4 years. Also, I wasn't taught much of anything about how reflexive verbs really work. It was basically "Some verbs are reflexive. Tack a me/te/se/whatever on 'em." The teacher was really nice, but I feel like those classes were a bit overly memorization-based.

Thanks also for the further explanation, by the way.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Giant Speck » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:13 am UTC

addams wrote:Speck!
Where have you been?
Did you get caught in a storm?


I switched to a 0700-1600 / Monday - Friday schedule for a week.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby addams » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:19 am UTC

Giant Speck wrote:
addams wrote:Speck!
Where have you been?
Did you get caught in a storm?


I switched to a 0700-1600 / Monday - Friday schedule for a week.

oh.
It's nice to see you bouncing along.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Carlington » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:46 am UTC

Learning French grammar as an English speaker is pretty rote-learning-based in my experience. There's no intuitive way for an English speaker to learn all the inflections and so forth.
I hope I didn't come off as overly snarky or pedantic.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Giant Speck » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:48 am UTC

Oh, don't worry about it. I was applying what I incorrectly remember about Spanish grammar to a language I do not know (French) and then incorrectly forming a similarity with a language I do know (Russian). I basically blurted out complete ignorance and stupidity and didn't check myself before I wrecked myself.
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Postby bachaddict » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:12 am UTC

Something I figured out a few months ago: A differential works like a folded-up planetary gear set. One side is the sun, the other the ring, and the diff idlers are the planets.
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Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:37 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:Learning French grammar as an English speaker is pretty rote-learning-based in my experience. There's no intuitive way for an English speaker to learn all the inflections and so forth.
I hope I didn't come off as overly snarky or pedantic.

Fair enough. I just know that even after taking French for 4 years, and doing well in the class grades-wise, I still didn't feel like I could speak the language terribly well. So I'm not quite sure what the issue was, and it might have even just been the amount of effort I put into it or whatever, but I definitely feel like I should have been able to speak it better.

And you didn't come off as snarky or pedantic from my perspective either.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Quercus » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:59 pm UTC

bachaddict wrote:Something I figured out a few months ago: A differential works like a folded-up planetary gear set. One side is the sun, the other the ring, and the diff idlers are the planets.


I thought you meant differential as in differential equation, and spent some time a) trying to work out what an idler was in that context and b) trying and failing to come up with convoluted matho-mechanical analogies. I'm not the brightest button sometimes.

On a slightly different topic (still to-do with me not being the brightest button...) I cannot do anagrams. What other people must see to allow them to spot anagrams just doesn't happen to me (I'm assured by everyone I speak to about it that there's no special trick they learned to do them, they just pop out from looking at the letters).

I've been thinking about why I can't do anagrams, and I've reached the following tentative hypothesis:

To be able to solve an anagram (without going through all the combinations slowly and systematically) there must be a pre-existing association in the mind between the letters that make up a word and the word as written, so letters -> word -> meaning. I don't think I have that. What I do is go letters -> syllables -> sounds -> words -> meaning. I say this because I am a very strong sub-vocaliser (to the extent that reading or writing without hearing the sounds of the words in my head as I do so is nonsensical to me), and also I am pretty bad at spelling stuff that isn't phonetic (I get around this by having a good memory and keeping a "table of exceptions" in my head).

Does this sound like a reasonable hypothesis to people and does anyone have any recommendations of reading on the subject of different people's mental representation of knowledge being structured differently, because that topic absolutely fascinates me?

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Postby SlyReaper » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:22 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:
bachaddict wrote:Something I figured out a few months ago: A differential works like a folded-up planetary gear set. One side is the sun, the other the ring, and the diff idlers are the planets.


I thought you meant differential as in differential equation, and spent some time a) trying to work out what an idler was in that context and b) trying and failing to come up with convoluted matho-mechanical analogies. I'm not the brightest button sometimes.

Yeah, I still have no idea what he means. To me, "differential" means differential equation, or a posh way of describing an inequality. Also differential diagnosis because I watched too much House.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby Xenomortis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:54 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:
Quercus wrote:
bachaddict wrote:Something I figured out a few months ago: A differential works like a folded-up planetary gear set. One side is the sun, the other the ring, and the diff idlers are the planets.


I thought you meant differential as in differential equation, and spent some time a) trying to work out what an idler was in that context and b) trying and failing to come up with convoluted matho-mechanical analogies. I'm not the brightest button sometimes.

Yeah, I still have no idea what he means. To me, "differential" means differential equation, or a posh way of describing an inequality. Also differential diagnosis because I watched too much House.


Never heard of a "diff" with respect to cars?
They let you drive around corners (without slipping loads) whilst you have two (or more) driving wheels.
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Postby speising » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:58 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote: Also differential diagnosis because I watched too much House.

which is pretty funny, because they never did it right there. proof: the final diagnosis was never considered in the differential.

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Postby Quercus » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:02 pm UTC

Xenomortis wrote:
SlyReaper wrote:
Quercus wrote:
bachaddict wrote:Something I figured out a few months ago: A differential works like a folded-up planetary gear set. One side is the sun, the other the ring, and the diff idlers are the planets.


I thought you meant differential as in differential equation, and spent some time a) trying to work out what an idler was in that context and b) trying and failing to come up with convoluted matho-mechanical analogies. I'm not the brightest button sometimes.

Yeah, I still have no idea what he means. To me, "differential" means differential equation, or a posh way of describing an inequality. Also differential diagnosis because I watched too much House.


Never heard of a "diff" with respect to cars?
They let you drive around corners (without slipping loads) whilst you have two (or more) driving wheels.


SlyReaper - congratulations, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. Your prize is a quaint 1930's public information film explaining how a differential gear operates.

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Postby poxic » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:08 pm UTC

Huh. Engineers r smrt.
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Postby bachaddict » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:14 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:
bachaddict wrote:Something I figured out a few months ago: A differential works like a folded-up planetary gear set. One side is the sun, the other the ring, and the diff idlers are the planets.


I thought you meant differential as in differential equation, and spent some time a) trying to work out what an idler was in that context and b) trying and failing to come up with convoluted matho-mechanical analogies. I'm not the brightest button sometimes.

I considered using even more jargon to see how many people I could confuse :P
It came from building LEGO gearboxes, as LEGO Technic uses differentials a lot more than ring gears.
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Postby SlyReaper » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:29 pm UTC

I learned something new today. This was a good day.
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Postby addams » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:45 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:SlyReaper - congratulations, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. Your prize is a quaint 1930's public information film explaining how a differential gear operates.

What a great old film.
That is so clear.

We all know we have a differential,
Now we all know Why.

One hundred years ago we did not have differentials.
There must have been a use for that idea before automobiles.

Really?
The human animal did not consider such a thing until replacing the inside tire became problematic?

Spoiler:
If God had wanted man to have evenly worn tires,
God would put as many left turns as right turns.

If man were meant to fly they would be born with wings.

If man were meant to survive illness....

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby bachaddict » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:53 am UTC

The Chinese used a differential in the South-Pointing Chariot.
It used the difference between the two wheels to rotate the pointer whenever it went around a corner.
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Postby addams » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:19 am UTC

bachaddict wrote:The Chinese used a differential in the South-Pointing Chariot.
It used the difference between the two wheels to rotate the pointer whenever it went around a corner.

yep.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South-pointing_chariot
I think it's funny.

Where did (insert any idea) come from?
The safe answer is China.

Differential? China.
Scissors? China.

Money and Debt? China.
China? China.

We can do this all day.

Westerners came up with the same answers independently.
Hundreds if not thousands of years later.

We kept tearing down and burning our Institutions of Knowledge.
We had to; They were infested with Heretics and Witches.
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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby bachaddict » Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:59 am UTC

That post made me smile :)
slinches wrote:Also, the OTC isn't a disease. In fact, it's the cure. As we all know, Time heals all wounds.

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Re: (F)leeting (A)nd (R)andom (T)houghts

Postby jobriath » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:37 am UTC

bachaddict wrote:That post made me smile :)

Me too---it's a common response :)


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