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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby boXd » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:21 pm UTC

roband wrote:How heavy is Asimov? From what I know about the content, it's the sort of thing I'd enjoy - but it depends how it's presented.


I'm not sure if you've ever read one of his essays, but I found his writings to be very accessible.

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby roband » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:39 pm UTC

Any recommendations on an Asimov starting point?

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby The EGE » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:09 am UTC

If you're going for novels, read the original Foundation trilogy first.

If you're just going for Asimov in general, the Black Widowers books. Collections of 12 very good short mystery stories each.
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Postby roband » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:17 am UTC

Ta

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Postby Magnanimous » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:49 am UTC

I like Asimov's writing style because he gets epic galaxy-spanning plots across with only a few characters. If you're into that.

Also i own all seven Foundation books in paperback. I only read the first four, though.

Also from what I remember, I Am A Strange Loop is like a less mathy version of GEB? But if you like it, I recommend The Mind's I by Hofstadter.

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Postby UniqueScreenname » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:00 am UTC

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Postby Magnanimous » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:40 am UTC

On the same note, GEB actually has some really funny lines. It's like Arrested Development, how there'll be a few pages/minutes of exposition and later you realize it was all just a setup for an awful pun.

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Postby PhoenixEnigma » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:51 am UTC

roband wrote:How heavy is Asimov? From what I know about the content, it's the sort of thing I'd enjoy - but it depends how it's presented.

The Foundation series starts out (if you're reading in the order they were written, at any rate) as more like a collection of related short stories and novellas, making it a doubly accessible starting point.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Eseell » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:03 am UTC

I think that also makes I, Robot a pretty good starting place. It was the first Asimov I read.
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Postby Josephine » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:02 am UTC

The Last Question is also a pretty good short story by him that you can find online.
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Postby roband » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:25 am UTC

Josephine wrote:The Last Question is also a pretty good short story by him that you can find online.

This is basically one of the reasons I think I'll like his stuff. I knew I'd read it, but couldn't recall the name

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Postby yurell » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:40 am UTC

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Postby roband » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:52 am UTC

I get shivers just reading it.

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Postby Carlington » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:52 am UTC

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Postby boXd » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:57 pm UTC

I only just found out that million, billion, trillion etcetera follow a very predictable pattern I should've noticed ages ago.

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Postby boXd » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:11 pm UTC

...Aaaaaand I should add that I did in fact have 21 new books. I forgot to add Flatland to the list.

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby poxic » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:15 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:The Last-But-One Question

GAH
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Yakk » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:19 pm UTC

boXd wrote:I only just found out that million, billion, trillion etcetera follow a very predictable pattern I should've noticed ages ago.

Are you aware of the difference between American and UK billion?
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Postby yurell » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:47 pm UTC

UK uses the short billion now, doesn't it?
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Postby Yakk » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:34 pm UTC

Sure, if you want to kow tow to American imperialism like that.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Giant Speck » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:01 pm UTC

Hey, you all expect us USians to use metric; it's only fair that we expect you to use the short billion.
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Postby Jumble » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:06 pm UTC

Well, only because its kind of expensive when you don't.
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Postby yurell » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:43 am UTC

Giant Speck wrote:Hey, you all expect us USians to use metric; it's only fair that we expect you to use the short billion.


I just want to point out that you still don't, and we still do, so someone's not keeping up their end of the bargain!
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Carlington » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:41 am UTC

I use the short billion, and am confused by the long billion. A million is a thousand thousands, a billion is a thousand thousand thousands, so on. A billion being a million millions makes no sense, and is the exception to the rule, unless a trillion is a billion billions, which it isn't.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby The Scyphozoa » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:22 am UTC

Using different billions is definitely worse than using different measuring units. If I say "meter", everyone will know what I'm talking about. If I say "billion", it has multiple meanings.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Giant Speck » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:28 am UTC

yurell wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:Hey, you all expect us USians to use metric; it's only fair that we expect you to use the short billion.


I just want to point out that you still don't, and we still do, so someone's not keeping up their end of the bargain!

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Menacing Spike » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:29 am UTC

poxic wrote:
Carlington wrote:The Last-But-One Question

GAH


this was so stupid I didn't get it for a long while

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby Yakk » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:29 am UTC

A long trillion is a million billion. The prefix say how many 10^6 you have.
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Postby yurell » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:41 am UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:If I say "meter", everyone will know what I'm talking about.


Here, this is what 'meter' means. This is what 'metre' means. Unless you're into music.

Not such an easy example!
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Postby bluebambue » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:58 am UTC

Menacing Spike wrote:
poxic wrote:
Carlington wrote:The Last-But-One Question

GAH


this was so stupid I didn't get it for a long while
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby eculc » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:22 am UTC

Actually, This is what "Meter" means. that last one was for utility meter, which isn't the same thing as meter.

also, as the second link clearly says (In the second sentence I believe) what you referred to as "metre" is spelled "meter" in American English, which is likely the first language of a significant portion (if not a majority) of the members of this fora.

and in any case, even though he spelled it "wrong" you still understood what he meant, so his point still stands.
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Postby yurell » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:30 am UTC

eculc wrote:Actually, This is what "Meter" means. that last one was for utility meter, which isn't the same thing as meter.


All of those are spelt 'metre' here, except the utility meter.

It was a tongue-in-cheek response to the 'obvious' counterexample, which has exactly the same problem as 'billion', which was being discussed. If you thought I was actually being serious in my criticism, you were wrong.
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Postby The Cat » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:09 pm UTC

Gotta close the loop holes. Their just gonna offset and move assets/capital to avoid taxable income. Pay it forward or defer to offset? The money they would pay is going to offset their bad investments. Oh, your exploratory guano mine didn't produce energy? Well, chalk that up to a loss and deduct it. When the property isn't worth guano, deduct that too! So, the middle class is paying for the bad investments of some giant guano producing entity? Well, that makes sense. So, now you got second generation guano sniffing poo butts paying nothing, and responsible for creating jobs? Sounds like a winning formula! A small increase in % is for not, if they're still granted the ability to "move it move it". 20% of nothing is still nothing. It's a joke, till held responsible. Breaking rocks on the backs of the middle class, and paying little to nothing. % of what you show isn't % Profit. Middle class pays % earned.


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Postby Ptolom » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:10 pm UTC

Kind of want a motorbike. I've been doing some calculations of the initial costs though, and I'm a little disheartened.

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Postby UniqueScreenname » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:21 pm UTC

Giant Speck wrote:
yurell wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:Hey, you all expect us USians to use metric; it's only fair that we expect you to use the short billion.


I just want to point out that you still don't, and we still do, so someone's not keeping up their end of the bargain!

I... uh... 'MURICA! 'MUUUUUURICA!

If I say it loud enough, I win, right?

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Postby Jumble » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:24 am UTC

I'm sure there's a thread for this but, as tradition dictates I'm drunk and can't be bothered to look, so happy new year from the UK!
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Postby The Cat » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:57 am UTC

Happy New year!

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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

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UniqueScreenname wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:
yurell wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:Hey, you all expect us USians to use metric; it's only fair that we expect you to use the short billion.


I just want to point out that you still don't, and we still do, so someone's not keeping up their end of the bargain!

I... uh... 'MURICA! 'MUUUUUURICA!

If I say it loud enough, I win, right?

http://youtu.be/S6oAQHROtzs


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