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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby jobriath » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:07 pm UTC

Hmm. I read 10 pages before figuring out why people in this thread sometimes started a post with "Screech:". I kept wondering, "who's this Screech guy, and why do people keep saying random stuff to him?"

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Postby roband » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:55 pm UTC

If people are understanding it, doesn't that mean it's time for a change?

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Postby AngrySquirrel » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:57 pm UTC

roband wrote:If people are understanding it, doesn't that mean it's time for a change?

I think it means we need to replace this thread with a similar thread, only move everything slightly more to the left.
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Re: Screechings of the Great Unwashed (Meander to the Morgue

Postby roband » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:03 pm UTC

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roband wrote:If people are understanding it, doesn't that mean it's time for a change?

I think it means we need to replace this thread with a similar thread, only move everything slightly more to the left.

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Postby Plasma Man » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:05 pm UTC

Sounds like a job for mod madness.
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Postby roband » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:08 pm UTC

Plasma Man wrote:Sounds like a job for mod madness.

When does that... festivity occur, remind me?

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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:44 pm UTC

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Man, after reading through a ton.. and I mean a ton of reddit...

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Postby emceng » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:44 pm UTC

Why the crap does IE auto sort my favorites? I put them in the order I want, freaking leave it like that!
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Postby roband » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:46 pm UTC

Why the crap do you use IE?

I feel bad for asking actually, I haven't used IE for at least 3 years (apart from testing one specific page), so I have no idea what the benefits of it might be.

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Postby Magnanimous » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:09 pm UTC

The same reason anyone uses IE, Pinky. Because it's on a crappy work computer.

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Postby The Scyphozoa » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:21 pm UTC

I live in San Jose, CA, and there is someone in my English class with a Confederate flag on his backpack.

What's possibly weirder is that he's not even white.
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Postby userxp » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:50 pm UTC

Here's a random thought to reflect on: the best thing that could happen (usability-wise) to computers would be hardware advancement stopping.

Think about it. Who's going to care about fixing this program when the new 10% slower version is coming out this next month? Why bother make a new standard memory-efficient when we'll just have 100GB of RAM in 10 years? Why improve the design of a keyboard when we can use a touchscreen instead? Etc etc.

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Postby RollingHead » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:57 pm UTC

How do you explain to a twenty-four year old how to boil a pot of water without sounding condescending?

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Postby eSOANEM » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:06 pm UTC

RollingHead wrote:How do you explain to a twenty-four year old how to boil a pot of water without sounding condescending?


I'm pretty sure that's not something you do. Besides, if they can't boil a pot of water, I think they probably deserve some condescention.
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Postby The Cat » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:09 pm UTC

[quote]I live in San Jose, CA, and there is someone in my English class with a Confederate flag on his backpack.

What's possibly weirder is that he's not even white.[quote]

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Postby torontoraptor » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:24 pm UTC

userxp wrote:Here's a random thought to reflect on: the best thing that could happen (usability-wise) to computers would be hardware advancement stopping.

Think about it. Who's going to care about fixing this program when the new 10% slower version is coming out this next month? Why bother make a new standard memory-efficient when we'll just have 100GB of RAM in 10 years? Why improve the design of a keyboard when we can use a touchscreen instead? Etc etc.


Completely agree. Software developers can afford to be lazy because hardware ability keeps on expanding. Imagine how much better our computers could run, and how much more stuff we could do, if we worked as hard on optimizing our code as we did on improving our hardware.
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Postby Deva » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:33 pm UTC

RollingHead wrote:How do you explain to a twenty-four year old how to boil a pot of water without sounding condescending?

Speak concisely and seriously. Try to sound like an instruction guide or a recipe. Limits the chance for a condescending remark or tone. Consider asking what is problematic for them too (note: potential backfire).
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Postby pseudoidiot » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:35 pm UTC

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userxp wrote:Here's a random thought to reflect on: the best thing that could happen (usability-wise) to computers would be hardware advancement stopping.

Think about it. Who's going to care about fixing this program when the new 10% slower version is coming out this next month? Why bother make a new standard memory-efficient when we'll just have 100GB of RAM in 10 years? Why improve the design of a keyboard when we can use a touchscreen instead? Etc etc.


Completely agree. Software developers can afford to be lazy because hardware ability keeps on expanding. Imagine how much better our computers could run, and how much more stuff we could do, if we worked as hard on optimizing our code as we did on improving our hardware.
Yeah, look at the quality of graphics/performance on release games of consoles and compare them to the newest titles. For the most part the architecture of the consoles don't change (or change very little) and programmers learn to squeeze every bit of performance out of it they can.

Would certainly be interesting to start seeing the same thing with computers.
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Postby Obby » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:38 pm UTC

RollingHead wrote:How do you explain to a twenty-four year old how to boil a pot of water without sounding condescending?


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Postby Frenetic Pony » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:01 pm UTC

It really does feel insulting to have music you like be generically enjoyable enough to be popular. They're playing Fleet Foxes at Starbucks *sob*

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Postby Panonadin » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:08 pm UTC

Why exactly is it insulting for other people to enjoy the music you like?

Does the general population liking the music you like take away from the enjoyment?
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Postby Adam H » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:09 pm UTC

If it makes you feel any better, Fleet Foxes sucks. :D

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Postby ShootTheChicken » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:13 pm UTC

Panonadin wrote:Why exactly is it insulting for other people to enjoy the music you like?

Does the general population liking the music you like take away from the enjoyment?


Erm, yeah. There's that feeling that you're not part of a little club anymore, and being part of a little club is fun.
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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:23 pm UTC

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Oh, what with whazisface Brown winning a Grammy, I'd like to point out that Fox News is actually useful sometimes. Sometimes. They of course, manage to fuck it up at the same time as you have some laughing idiots ruining the tone of the piece.
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Postby ShootTheChicken » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:47 pm UTC

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Postby roband » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:51 pm UTC

Good on him for keeping a straight face throughout that - best part of the whole thing.

Also, the "spelling, syntax and grammar" bit is fantastic.

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Postby UniqueScreenname » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:03 am UTC

roband wrote:Good on him for keeping a straight face throughout that - best part of the whole thing.

Also, the "spelling, syntax and grammar" bit is fantastic.

I loved the straight face too. I loved the maturity part too. Gosh, I loved the whole thing.
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Postby SurgicalSteel » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:35 am UTC

Frenetic Pony wrote:It really does feel insulting to have music you like be generically enjoyable enough to be popular. They're playing Fleet Foxes at Starbucks *sob*
I was actually really happy to hear Fleet Foxes on the radio. Almost as happy as I was to hear The Black Keys on local radio. But also, if it was in Starbucks, it may have been an employee's CD.
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Postby Frenetic Pony » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:49 am UTC

Adam H wrote:If it makes you feel any better, Fleet Foxes sucks. :D

RollingHead wrote:How do you explain to a twenty-four year old how to boil a pot of water without sounding condescending?
"Listen carefully, ya sack of bricks.First, put the water in the pot, stupidhead. Then put the pot on the stove, moron. After that you turn the stove on, idiot. Then you just wait. Dang you're dumb."

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Postby Xeio » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:06 am UTC

pseudoidiot wrote:
torontoraptor wrote:
userxp wrote:Here's a random thought to reflect on: the best thing that could happen (usability-wise) to computers would be hardware advancement stopping.

Think about it. Who's going to care about fixing this program when the new 10% slower version is coming out this next month? Why bother make a new standard memory-efficient when we'll just have 100GB of RAM in 10 years? Why improve the design of a keyboard when we can use a touchscreen instead? Etc etc.
Completely agree. Software developers can afford to be lazy because hardware ability keeps on expanding. Imagine how much better our computers could run, and how much more stuff we could do, if we worked as hard on optimizing our code as we did on improving our hardware.
Yeah, look at the quality of graphics/performance on release games of consoles and compare them to the newest titles. For the most part the architecture of the consoles don't change (or change very little) and programmers learn to squeeze every bit of performance out of it they can.

Would certainly be interesting to start seeing the same thing with computers.
That's really a bad premise. It's not that PC games aren't optimized, it's that they can't have rediculous requirements because any extra work put into PC graphical features is a lot of extra work that will have no effect on at least one version of the game (or two, if it's on PS3 and 360). There are games that really push a high-end PC graphically, but the majority are built multiplatform. Not to mention, that optimizing for a console is much easier since you don't have to go through an API, let alone account for different hardware.

Also, programs wouldn't just magically speed up even if more time was spent optimizing in general. Any good developer is going to put in the time to optimize the time critical parts of the application, they don't just go "oh, well, it'll be faster on newer hardware, who cares?". It's a good adage for a novice, because they'll spend way too much time optimizing inconsequential things, but you're not really going to ever hear something like that in a real situation. The closest you'd probably get is something like "We don't have the people to dedicate to optimizing this, as it's already 'fast enough' and there are more important things to worry about".

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Postby Black Dynamite » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:13 am UTC

eSOANEM wrote:
RollingHead wrote:How do you explain to a twenty-four year old how to boil a pot of water without sounding condescending?


I'm pretty sure that's not something you do. Besides, if they can't boil a pot of water, I think they probably deserve some condensation.

This is how I read that.
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Postby PhoenixEnigma » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:18 am UTC

Xeio wrote:That's really a bad premise. It's not that PC games aren't optimized, it's that they can't have rediculous requirements because any extra work put into PC graphical features is a lot of extra work that will have no effect on at least one version of the game (or two, if it's on PS3 and 360). There are games that really push a high-end PC graphically, but the majority are built multiplatform. Not to mention, that optimizing for a console is much easier since you don't have to go through an API, let alone account for different hardware.
*cough* Skyrim *cough*


Or, for that matter, the difference in Oblivion and Skyrim minimum specs for PC, even though both run on the same console hardware. Which I think is closer to the point - with a fixed hardware target for development, we'd get a hell of a lot more out of it than we are today. There's a pile of performance being left on the table that will likely never be realized, which is both a shame and a waste.

Yes, yes, they did eventually fix it, but it's about as bad as "not optimizing" gets.
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Postby userxp » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:04 pm UTC

Xeio wrote:Also, programs wouldn't just magically speed up even if more time was spent optimizing in general. Any good developer is going to put in the time to optimize the time critical parts of the application, they don't just go "oh, well, it'll be faster on newer hardware, who cares?". It's a good adage for a novice, because they'll spend way too much time optimizing inconsequential things, but you're not really going to ever hear something like that in a real situation. The closest you'd probably get is something like "We don't have the people to dedicate to optimizing this, as it's already 'fast enough' and there are more important things to worry about".


It's not only about programmer laziness (which exists), it's also about stability. A game is built on DirectX, hardware drivers, and millions of APIs, abstraction layers and other tiny pieces. These are always in constant change, breaking old stuff and getting quite messy.

And each abstraction layer causes a bit of overhead too. With enough time you could make Skyrim run directly on the computer (without Windows). Or, why not, Skyrim hard-coded in the processor :wink:.

It's a bit like a Zelda game: first you get through all the temples and bosses, and then, once you have unlocked all the items, you go back to the beginning and run through the whole map again getting all the things you missed first :P.

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Postby blue_eyedspacemonkey » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:41 pm UTC

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I feel really bad taking time off work, but I also don't want to go and infect people (especially as I work in a pharmacy - I don't want to make sick people even sicker).

If I keep feeling like this I could go back into work tomorrow and not be terrible, but I'm not 100% yet, so am kindof tempted to take Friday off and get properly well. But I feel like I'm 'cheating' or something because I'm not bed-ridden, and I know how busy it gets when people are off at work. So I'm feeling really really guilty. But I really shouldn't.

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