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Should a sub catagory be created to deal with love, sex, and relationships?

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No
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I think a separation would help but a sub category is a little much.
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Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby El Senor Fruit Swing » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:33 pm UTC

A few others and I have noticed an increasing amount of threads dealing with sex, love, relationships, and such;
and a few others and I have wondered about a sub category dealing with sex, love, and relationships. There's nothing wrong with such talk in the general category, but so many of the threads and discussions deal with these things, and having its own category would make it easier and more convenient for dealing with, and talking about such things.
// And sometimes people don't want to see these things, and would not like to deal with them. Of course, they could not read the thread but if there's a lot of threads dealing with affection then it's hard not to see them and notice them.
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby LE4dGOLEM » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:16 pm UTC

I am under the impression that there will be a re-shuffling of some kind soon.
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Postby davean » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:16 pm UTC

LE4dGOLEM wrote:I am under the impression that there will be a re-shuffling of some kind soon.


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Postby MFHodge » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:44 am UTC

Before anyone gets any idea to the contrary, the results of any poll in Site/Forum Issues will not necessarily have any impact on the ultimate action that occurs.
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Postby El Senor Fruit Swing » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:31 am UTC

I just thought it would be a good idea to know if the community is behind it or not u kno
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Kabann » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:51 am UTC

VTHodge wrote:Before anyone gets any idea to the contrary, the results of any poll in Site/Forum Issues will not necessarily have any impact on the ultimate action that occurs.


So you're saying, it's very like actual real-life voting? Sweet.

edit: I'm with the swing, though... in favor of compartmentalization. It may not be the whole community, but my opinion matters greatly, as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Mathmagic » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:23 pm UTC

VTHodge wrote:Before anyone gets any idea to the contrary, the results of any poll in Site/Forum Issues will not necessarily have any impact on the ultimate action that occurs.

But of course, if the action correlates to the outcome of the poll, then I think it's safe to assume that it did. :razz:
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Postby Belial » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:33 pm UTC

Kindof like if we all vote that the sun should rise tomorrow?
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Postby Belial » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:50 pm UTC

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Mathmagic » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:08 pm UTC

Belial wrote:Kindof like if we all vote that the sun should rise tomorrow?

Is it really that much of a sure thing?
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Belial » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:26 pm UTC

Not at all. Just saying, if you vote for something, and it happens, it doesn't necessarily happen because you vote for it.
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Postby gmalivuk » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:36 pm UTC

You mean like the whole thing about correlation and causation and how the two are not the same?

Anyway, now that fora can be nested, this category might be a good one to go within General. There may not be enough topics on the ... topic to warrant a whole new subforum on the main page, but it may be worth putting as a lower-level forum.

If nothing else, it might prevent duplicate threads from being made, if all the (smaller number of) related threads are together in one place, making it easier to see what's been posted before or not.
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Belial » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:42 pm UTC

Does someone want to give me a whole big pile of links that would go in this new forum?
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Postby Mathmagic » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:17 pm UTC

Belial wrote:Does someone want to give me a whole big pile of links that would go in this new forum?

It would probably be easier to take the threads out of General that *wouldn't* go in the new forum.
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Postby El Senor Fruit Swing » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:27 pm UTC

TY :-p i didn't even think to check merged topics. how do you feel about a sub catagory SecondTalon?

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Zohar » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:18 pm UTC

I suggested a sub-forum for advice several months ago and was immediately shot down on it (basically people said "what will be left in General?"), but I still think it's a good idea.
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Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:11 am UTC

I think I might've helped shoot it down one of the other times it came up, and I'm still a mite concerned. I'm guessing (because this thread is actually moving) there was a discussion-among-the-mods more recently where they came to a different consensus, and if that's the case I default to their judgments, because a lot of my objections involve how (imho) separating sex-discussion, and creating a place that encouraged people to create more sex-related threads, would make things harder for the mods.

That is: I think you guys have done a really good job of keeping this place generally woman-friendly and low on the creepy; it's a big part of the reason I stayed involved/stuck around. I can see how taking the sex/love/relationships discussions out of General kind of "cleans up" General, but at the same time it invites a whole lot more creepy, and I'd be concerned about the effect of that on the general forum population.

(Then again, now that I've gone and written that, I can think of a lot of positive uses for such a subforum too. Hmm.)

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby mosc » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:16 am UTC

TBFH, I'm ALL for this because then I might actually give a fuck enough to READ general. Advise sub-forum FTW! Maybe they'll be something left in general worth reading then.
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Zohar » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:01 am UTC

helen wrote:That is: I think you guys have done a really good job of keeping this place generally woman-friendly and low on the creepy; it's a big part of the reason I stayed involved/stuck around. I can see how taking the sex/love/relationships discussions out of General kind of "cleans up" General, but at the same time it invites a whole lot more creepy, and I'd be concerned about the effect of that on the general forum population.


The reason I think an advice sub forum is a good idea is not to clean up General. It's so people can easily find what they want or avoid what they're not interested in. I don't think the actual content of the messages would change by much.
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Azrael » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:20 pm UTC

mosc wrote:TBFH, I'm ALL for this because then I might actually give a fuck enough to READ general. Advise sub-forum FTW! Maybe they'll be something left in general worth reading then.
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So the threads about relationships & sex have not only scared you out of posting in General, but have also ... scared the other content away too?

If the relationship & sex threads are moved elsewhere, the rest of the content in General will continue to be the *same* content that is there currently.

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:49 pm UTC

Azrael wrote:If the relationship & sex threads are moved elsewhere, the rest of the content in General will continue to be the *same* content that is there currently.


There are too many variables to say this, dude.

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Azrael » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:08 pm UTC

I'm not sure I follow. In this particular discussion, there's really only one variable - the presence of sex & relationship threads. Remove them and you have ... the rest of General.

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Postby SecondTalon » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:16 pm UTC

Basically, if you create a subforum you create something else that draws people's attention away from General. Meaning that, no, the content will not stay the same as each poster only has so much time in which to post, so those currently posting in General would divide their time between General and Sexforum (For those who are interested in that) if not flat-out abandoning General for Sexytalk.

Meaning the population of General will change. The content (which is always being generated) will changed to match the new population. So we cannot say for certain that it will be the *same* style of content, as if Poster X who was an active participant in all General threads starts ignoring General in favor of the Relationship forum, you have a loss there of Person X leaving, essentially.

I'm probably wording this badly... short answer is that splitting it off will cause a (minor) population shift in the same way that all of the various subfora drew population away from the area from which it was split. Any time the population changes, the generated content changes.
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Azrael » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:37 pm UTC

This minor decrease in population (those people who are only posting in General for sexytalk) is probably far smaller than the preexisting changes due to the comings & goings of members. But yet when combined with a small increase in the posting population (those people who won't post in General because of the sexytalk) it is going to cause a significant change in the tenor of the non-sexytimes content of General?

I don't buy it.

Or, to the original point, I don't buy that sexytime talk is really scaring off any significant portion of the population.

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:46 pm UTC

Well that seems rather moot, anyway. The reasoning behind a sexytimes subforum is not that it may or may not have any effect on the threads remaining in General. The reasoning is that it will keep those threads all in one place, easier to search through, and perhaps a bit more private (i.e. only visible to registered members, not to guests or bots). This would consequently mean a reduction of duplicate threads on the same relationship or sex-related topics that we're currently seeing in General. It would also mean, probably, an increase in other sex or relationship-related topics being posted, as has been seen when other subfora were created.

The discussion, therefore, is more about whether those consequences are to be desired. Not whether what remains of General will or won't be roughly the same as it is now.

(For the record, I think this move would change the population reading General, just as creating other subfora has done. Now there's a Science forum, people primarily interested in discussing Science mostly hang out in there and don't pay much attention to General any more, for example.)
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby rrwoods » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:48 pm UTC

I motion that the new forum is actually named "Sexytime".

In all seriousness though, I do think it'd be nice to have a new forum for this. There's certainly enough material for it.
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:47 pm UTC

Azrael wrote:This minor decrease in population (those people who are only posting in General for sexytalk) is probably far smaller than the preexisting changes due to the comings & goings of members. But yet when combined with a small increase in the posting population (those people who won't post in General because of the sexytalk) it is going to cause a significant change in the tenor of the non-sexytimes content of General?


There aren't only people who just post for sex-talk, and people who avoid it completely, there are also people who participate in it sometimes. The sometimes-participants are unpredictable: in addition to paying more or less attention to General, they also might notice other interesting General topics that get bumped more due to the change, or start their own general topics instead. The general population of General will start paying attention to different things once the sex threads are temporarily out of sight, and since sex threads can be kind of distracting, readers might notice a lot they hadn't noticed before. They could then spend more time responding to non-sex-related topics, which could in fact make General more interesting for users like mosc. People who keep paying attention to General, and who pay attention differently once the sex is out of the way, could make General different. Since we don't know who all those users are or how they'll behave, there are too many variables.

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby ++$_ » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:39 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:perhaps a bit more private (i.e. only visible to registered members, not to guests or bots)
If we can do this, I just changed my vote. It resolves my concerns (similar to helen's) about the sex-threads that are currently in General.

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Postby MFHodge » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:54 pm UTC

If this happens, it will almost definitely be only accessible to registered users.
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Zohar » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:17 am UTC

VTHodge wrote:If this happens, it will almost definitely be only accessible to registered users.


That will make me feel so special!!! *warm tingles*
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Bakemaster » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:50 pm UTC

I would rather this board not make any effort to become more of a destination for people who primarily want to:
- discuss the ins and outs of sex
- post whiny shit that should be on their LJ
- hook up

The quality of these conversations will only be lowered by giving them their own forum, where people like that can click on the Index and say "Oh, there's a place for me!" We've seen plenty of people join specifically to post in one forum out of the many on the board. I think we'd all rather be conversing with people who came here because they were xkcd fans first, right? And even if you hide the forum from unregistered users, think about it—this is the interbutts. Word spreads. My feeling is that this would do a lot more to attract trolls and sex offenders than to repel them. Not to mention how it sets a precedent for the board that I find a bit unsettling.

I'd also ask what would be left in General when we've made designated fora for all conceivable categories of conversation, but I'm not that fond of slippery-slope arguments and I guess we could just rename it "Otter/Duck" or "Potpourri" at some point.

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby TheTankengine » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:01 pm UTC

Bakemaster wrote:Consider me in strong opposition to this idea (if it makes any difference).

It doesn't. It's happening.

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Master Gunner » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:02 pm UTC

Is there any way to set a board so that it is not visible to new members (say, have under 50 posts or have been here for less than a month), in order to discourage people that have heard of the hypothetical board to join only for that sub-category?

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby joeframbach » Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:11 pm UTC

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I lol'd.

I think this would be a welcome change. But I wouldn't even notice. I have no idea what subforums exist now because I click the "view new posts" link. xkcd forums are one big subforum to me.

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Belial » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:39 am UTC

I'd also ask what would be left in General when we've made designated fora for all conceivable categories of conversation


That's not a concern. General isn't supposed to be the main feature of the boards, actually, it's supposed to be the place for any topic that doesn't fit into the others. We considered renaming it "miscellaneous" or "odds and ends"
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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby davean » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:24 am UTC

Belial wrote:
I'd also ask what would be left in General when we've made designated fora for all conceivable categories of conversation


That's not a concern. General isn't supposed to be the main feature of the boards, actually, it's supposed to be the place for any topic that doesn't fit into the others. We considered renaming it "miscellaneous" or "odds and ends"

General's very existence is more of a historical mistake then anything else. Its termination wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

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Re: Sub catagory "sex, love and relationships"

Postby Belial » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:41 pm UTC

Rolling this forum out now.
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