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by reval
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:31 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

But you haven't gotten there It's unfortunate you gained no insight, ucim, but this wasn't only for your benefit, either. We have sufficiently explored how local ordering, when it has information to adapt, gives rise to Purpose . The interesting and unsolved problem is how it might be possible to s...
by reval
Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:21 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 149
Views: 17967

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

a small fraction of informed people are unable to make a difference so you do need mainstream adoption Holding information out of the mainstream is certainly a main modus operendi for social control. Mere publication is easier than in the days of paper, but the gatekeepers' elimination of all alter...
by reval
Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Disturbed ecosystems and conservation
Replies: 7
Views: 2237

Re: Disturbed ecosystems and conservation

More recent street repaving has given us boulevard sections intended to sink stormwater into the ground instead of funneling it into sewers. But we're still far from a broader understanding of what healthy habitat might look like. "Tangled-bank-good / lawn-bad" hasn't gotten through. As lo...
by reval
Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:30 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

Adaption is merely the benefit. Merely? Here is the real problem with your analogy, ucim. Components and replacement are incidental. What matters is adaptation. Species adapt (genetically), while individuals and cells do not. Maintenance and adaptation is how the species survives and evolves. This ...
by reval
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

A species can't use the thought process for any goal cause a species can't have goals. Individual humans can have goals. A species can't use the thought process for any goal cause a species can't have goals. Individual humans can have goals. Thank you for re-engaging, qetzal. Here the word "go...
by reval
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:50 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

Different kinds of actors. In the evolutionary context, an individual (a CP actor) might reproduce, and then you would have a different individual, a different CP actor. But when a species (a CLOP actor) uses self-replication to "keep going on", there is only one actor. There is only on sp...
by reval
Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

Self-replication is a good way to "keep going on", but insufficient by itself. An actor can't just keep making clones of itself. That won't work. The environment will change, the available energy sources will change, and the actor either changes itself or it doesn't "keep going"....
by reval
Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:43 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

I'm sorry, qetzal. At this point I'm just trying to clarify how shared thought is analogous to evolution, and I have to refer you back to my earlier attempts to work out the implications, such as the differing role of competition in the two processes. Yes, ucim, I understand that you keep saying thi...
by reval
Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

I suppose anything can become a word salad if you don't see the right connections between the words. For me, a "computational local ordering process" (CLOP) is well-defined and well-connected. But if other words will help, by all means let's use other words. We're also going to need words ...
by reval
Sun May 19, 2019 4:46 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

I wish we could have gotten closer than clouds versus bicycles. At least one of these seems vague and unformed in your conception. Perhaps if you were to give that cloud a clearer and more definite shape you would be able to see the essential similarity I am trying to draw out? Of course, I understa...
by reval
Sun May 12, 2019 3:37 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Journalism and Propaganda
Replies: 7
Views: 2851

Re: Journalism and Propaganda

"Newspapers that supported Douglas edited his speeches to remove any errors made by the stenographers and to correct grammatical errors, while they left Lincoln's speeches in the rough form in which they had been transcribed. In the same way, pro-Lincoln papers edited Lincoln's speeches, but le...
by reval
Sun May 12, 2019 2:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

You are right, ucim, to focus on the question "who why?" Which entity has which purpose (or motive)? Which actor does what? But you suggest I am confusing the thing undergoing the process - with the process it is undergoing. This is not a confusion: I am explicitly treating the two as a si...
by reval
Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:55 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

Answers for ucim: Question 4: What do you mean by "motives"? Define it in a way that is compatible with your use of the word in the (second) quote above. I have moved this question to the top, since it may be helpful to start with some definitions for "purpose", "interest&qu...
by reval
Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:19 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

But people can also use the thought process for competition, right? Yes! I have added emphasis to that word also . Do you see how that bears on your question and resolves the apparent contradiction? I fully agree that: the thought process is involved in the vast majority of competition between huma...
by reval
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

Raging, ucim, at the funhouse mirrors again? You're addressing distorted reflections of things drawn from within the funhouse of evolutionary motivation. You're stuck in that framework and you continue to interpret everything from within that framework. I won't deal with each illusion separately, bu...
by reval
Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

But overuse of antibiotics is already a problem, and the overpopulation it has partly been responsible for is already another problem. Because humans care about the "now" and the individual, and it comes at the cost of the future and the species. I hope you didn't mean that the way it sou...
by reval
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:06 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

I'm trying to say the more efficient process is "better" because it survives better within a limited energy budget. The less efficient process is "bad" because it is inefficient and wasteful. It survives less well. For example, the "misuse" of the thought process to pro...
by reval
Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:25 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2134: Too Much Talking
Replies: 13
Views: 3866

Re: 2134: Too Much Talking

Every social occasion ever!
by reval
Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:16 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

Yes, Pfhorrest, I believe that is a good analogy for how the thought process can be more efficient than the evolutionary process.
by reval
Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:46 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 149
Views: 17967

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

Sounds like a public stance against indiscriminate gun-grabbing to me, rather than a bought vote.

And another reason to vote for Bernie.
by reval
Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

In what way are DNA (an information storage medium that reproduces) parallel to ideas people think and talk about? DNA and ideas are both information. Both are properly handled using information theory and computation . That is the basis of the theory of two local ordering processes . Other points ...
by reval
Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:41 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

For anyone joining us, the topic of this thread is the use of information theory to compare (1) the DNA that evolution works on, with (2) the ideas that people think and talk about. Trying to separate human behavior along the line between these two processes yields two distinct motives for human act...
by reval
Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

Thanks for the comments! I wish I could help you see the distinction I'm trying to make. ucim - You can find the Darwin quote here . "I am almost convinced (quite contrary to opinion I started with) that species are not (it is like confessing a murder) immutable." (1844) This is directly r...
by reval
Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:34 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 69
Views: 12685

Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

This is a third attempt to explain the idea of two processes. Earlier threads are here and here , and full details are posted here . Competition is bad for people. That is true even though, as animals, everything about us originally came out of competition, and only competition. Evolutionary compet...
by reval
Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:26 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2129: "1921 Fact Checker"
Replies: 49
Views: 9677

Re: 2129: "1921 Fact Checker"

Ahhh, thanks! It was bothering me why this wasn't bothering me, and now I understand! the use of "them" ("...each person...was required to bring with them...") would have been highly unusual for a reputable newspaper in 1921. At that point in history, respectable usage would have...
by reval
Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:35 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8724
Views: 930436

Re: Trump presidency

That treaty was itself an artifact of Cold War I. Longer ranges were supposed to provide more reaction time and cut down on the risk of a "false positive". It's not surprising to see the treaty abrogated in the leadup to a more complex and multilateral Cold War II. Security-minded bureaucr...
by reval
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:33 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2073: "Kilogram"
Replies: 97
Views: 17934

Re: 2073: "Kilogram"

That ratio is only exactly 3.14159265358979... in perfectly flat space. So when a US State Legislature declares pi equal to three, they are making a rather drastic statement about the curvature of the local space-time? Presumably due to the extreme density of local braincases. Are they, at this poi...
by reval
Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Everything is racism
Replies: 44
Views: 18948

Re: Everything is racism

I believe we are in fact talking about relatedness. Yes, people are using cultural signifiers to make these distinctions, and they are frequently confused about which traits are inherited and which are not inherited. But they know exactly who (they think) "looks like us" and who is "t...
by reval
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Everything is racism
Replies: 44
Views: 18948

Re: Everything is racism

The interesting thing with humans societies is that we have several layers evolving simultaneously- while our genes are evolving vertically (the "line of descent" you talk about) we also have ideas that evolve horizontally. E.g. religion and culture. And ideas can evolve much faster than ...
by reval
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:16 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Everything is racism
Replies: 44
Views: 18948

Re: Everything is racism

Focussing on the pattern of tribalism makes it that much harder get away with special pleading: "My tribal motivation is fine, but your tribal motivation is bad." You can use "tribalism" to simplistically describe a Nazi's distaste for non-Aryans and to describe a PoC's distaste ...
by reval
Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Firearms Regulations
Replies: 213
Views: 67373

Re: Firearms Regulations

Yes, many states have training requirements for carrying and using firearms, and it is important to distinguish that from ownership requirements. For example, in Minnesota a permit to carry a firearm in public requires training and qualification. Similarly, getting a hunting license requires hunter ...
by reval
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Everything is racism
Replies: 44
Views: 18948

Re: Everything is racism

Tribalism is the correct word if we have the courage to see that it applies to what we ourselves are doing. We're not calling someone else primitive. We ourselves are primitive, if we cling to these old tribal behavior patterns. And, yes, that needs to change. Tribalism also has a simple etymology t...
by reval
Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Everything is racism
Replies: 44
Views: 18948

Re: Everything is racism

As it happens, ucim is right about this one. Tribalism is what you're talking about. US-style racism, with its US-specific history of slavery and violence and segregation, is a subtype of a larger social pattern that is observed in many different places and times. The type is tribalism. US racism ma...
by reval
Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:14 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: The Internet -- sky or sewer?
Replies: 34
Views: 12670

Re: The Internet -- sky or sewer?

Finding a place where you can talk to people is heaven. And the destruction of that conversation is the work of the demons of hell. And the place where this is playing out is neither above nor beneath the Earth, but on the Earth itself. Averages are beside the point. What "most people" are...
by reval
Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Imagine you're an evil dictator...
Replies: 6
Views: 7390

Re: Imagine you're an evil dictator...

Trying to think like a dictator (a.k.a. king) is an interesting exercise because it tends to illuminate long strings of historical events. One insight is that monarchy's main opponent is its surrounding oligarchy (much more than the people themselves). A king's main opponents are the barons. The mai...
by reval
Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:13 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Are patents/IP good for innovation?
Replies: 67
Views: 23710

Re: Are patents/IP good for innovation?

This discussion is so far missing the "information is free" position, according to which Intellectual Property claims are always wrong, and are harmful to innovation and to humanity. The US Constitution eliminated the other monopolies that enriched European monarchs, but perpetuated patent...
by reval
Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:54 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Equifax is hacked
Replies: 27
Views: 12761

Re: Equifax is hacked

The original purpose of the SSN was for Social Security, namely to make sure that "no SOB can take it away from them" (FDR). The point was to track your individual contributions in order to establish your irrefutable claim to benefits, because, politically, people seemed to care about your...
by reval
Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:14 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1880: "Eclipse Review"
Replies: 51
Views: 10310

Re: 1880: "Eclipse Review"

A haze of thin overcast isn't a problem at all: you can still see the bite taken out of the sun through the glasses. When a heavier cloud goes by, you can't see the bite. But even the heavier clouds can't interfere with the effect of totality: a brilliant spark and it's day, and then there isn't - a...
by reval
Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: sick realization: you have negative dollars
Replies: 174
Views: 72420

Re: sick realization: you have negative dollars

How is this any different from needing to eat? Yes. That. The root of all this debt business is the need to eat every day. Derivative things like ownership claims are just accreted around this basic need. All of this "extended debt" is just tricks and games to get OTHER people to give you...
by reval
Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose, or Only Two Reasons To Do Something
Replies: 31
Views: 13211

Re: Purpose, or Only Two Reasons To Do Something

Thank you for all the comments. Even though I wasn't able to convince anyone, I am glad we were able to talk about my specific proposals, which is already an improvement on my previous thread. In particular, I maintain that none of you was able to demonstrate a significant flaw or weakness in the ar...

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