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by Illiander
Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:28 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Fun Fact about Spain: The Spanish Premier is in the same European party alliance as David Cameron. So those two backing each other up is to be expected. all I have to say on the terms of national identity is that your family aren't going to stop being your family out of nowhere. And that's the most ...
by Illiander
Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:15 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

*How* would it be unfair?

You're sounding like you're saying "It's unfair that Fred is eating peanuts. No, I don't want any peanuts (I'm allergic), but it's still unfair that Fred is eating some. He should stop eating them, because I don't want to eat them."
by Illiander
Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:50 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

So if no-where else in the UK wants devo except Scotland, how is it unfair to them to give Scotland farther devolution?
by Illiander
Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

What version of Devo Max are you talking about leady? (There have been far too many to count)

Which powers would stay at Westminster?
by Illiander
Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:04 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Ask the Tories why they didn't want it to be an option. And a Devo Max option would be essentially unenforceable, since it would require concensus from both Tory parties in Westminster, and they can't bind their successors anyway. Plus it would have meant that the tactic they're trying now of "...
by Illiander
Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:22 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Yeah I'm not sure if requiring a supermajority is the way to go. But like I said in an earlier post, these kind of things should be decided over a long time period, with 2 referendums. This is a decision that is effectively irreversible, and one for which there is no hurry. Why not take the time to...
by Illiander
Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:25 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Looked it up on Wikipedia. Why is it a simple majority? Something like this is as big as if not bigger than changing the constitution; shouldn't it require 2/3 or 3/4 of the vote? I mean, if a simple majority was enough then 1/3 of the states would leave the US every presidential election. We've go...
by Illiander
Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

I'm going to break one of the rules when talking about the referendum, and go into some ancient history, because I find this little fact amusing: Compare these two pictures: http://www.slmc.uottawa.ca/content_images/313003e.gif http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Big-Weal...
by Illiander
Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

In the UK, "London" is the city ("The City" is also sometimes London) "Westminster" is the Government. "Londoner" even has some working-class implication to it, or at least used to. The Referendum is this Thursday, but postal votes have been being mailed in fo...
by Illiander
Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:31 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Well, that's likely because of the question. Does Scotland want to be ruled by Westminster? All the talk of independence/seperation, currencies, oil revenue, Dr Who/Stricktly/GBBO, or whatever other scare story is being thrown about this week is just confusing the issue. And given the choice between...
by Illiander
Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:19 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Godwin's law was proven in the Scottish independence debate a *long* time ago. (By elected MPs and members of the House of Lords, no less)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alex+salmond+dictator+bingo

The fun one is Poe's Law for the No Campaign.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/by-their-w ... know-them/
by Illiander
Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:42 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Possibly the party with the most to gain (aside from the SNP) from Scottish independence is UKIP. In the long run, do the SNP actually gain from Scottish Independence? I'd think it would completely destroy their reason for existing as a party. Their main policy is 'independence' - I actually don't ...
by Illiander
Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:54 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

kingofdreams wrote:
Illiander wrote:Anyone have an answer for that?
Mayhaps rUK government isn't the strawman caricature the secessionist movement has built their political currency out of.


They're certainly trying pretty hard.

Edit: Also, the paragraph above that didn't mention Westminster once.
by Illiander
Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:39 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Scotland runs at a profit *without* the oil money, if we weren't servicing debt that Westminster ran up to fund projects in the south of England. We're solvent without it. Citation very much needed. The only sources I've seen claiming this are far more yes-biased than the bbc is no-biased but then,...
by Illiander
Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Ok, "oil prices are volitile". But the general direction is up. Stick the profits from the extra-good years in a fund to cover the bad years, and you can run off the average (increacing) numbers. Norway did that, and their fund is currently sitting at over a mil per person (Scotland has mo...
by Illiander
Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:09 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Of course you think Scotland will be in such a strong position they can force rUK (and Spain, and all EU countries...) to do whatever you like. Maybe. Maybe not. Yeah, this. There's much to say for being a small country, but does it have its downsides. A very big one is that you don't have much bar...
by Illiander
Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:08 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Scotland subsidising the rest of the UK: http://archive.today/5Swry http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-historical-debt/ Ok, that's not all 300 years, but that's going back a good hundred. You haven't noticed that *I don't care* if Scotland gets into the EU. There's *nothing* stopping us from joining t...
by Illiander
Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:39 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Sweden's status is irrelevant, the ECB have been explicit that refusing to join the ERM II won't be tolerated for future members of the EU (on the other hand, the european commission say that participation is voluntary; I'm not sure which takes precedence). I hadn't realised that in order to join t...
by Illiander
Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:29 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Only the "No" camp (pro-Westminster-rule) are really bringing up issues about currency and money. (Though they keep on contradicting themselves on them (the silliest one is "you'd have to join the euro" but "Spain would veto you joining the EU". No country can be force...
by Illiander
Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:20 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

First off, Scotland leaving the UK will make essentially no difference to the party political makeup of Westminster (The UK parlement). If you remove Scottish MPs from Westminster since 1945, you would only have had 2.5 years more Conservative Governments. (I'd post links, but they're getting my po...
by Illiander
Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Given the stratigic location, and that the USA is trying to get the UK to drop their nuclear deterrent anyway, I highly doubt it. If anything, the US would like to see it's NATO allies take up a greater burden in NATO's mutual defense. The US has basically no reason to see the UK give up it's nucle...
by Illiander
Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

See the second sentence of that quote. Westminster have committed to handling all the debt. So any deal is just that, a deal. The fact that the loans that caused the debt were almost universally spent with no benefit for Scotland, and that we're essentially offering to stop them having to declare t...
by Illiander
Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:34 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

You say that, but there's a correllation in the polls between how informed a voter feels about the choices post-referendum, and their voting intention. (more informed -> yes vote, less informed -> no vote)

So maybe the truth will set us free ;)
by Illiander
Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:25 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

@adams: Yeaup. A few more facts for thought: Scotland has possibly the largest renewable energy resources in Europe, but Westminster are more interested in building nuclear power plants. Scottish life expectency is about 10 years lower than English life expectency, and retirement ages are a non-devo...
by Illiander
Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:53 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

Scotland pays more in taxes than it gets back in spending, almost every year. And always has done. They stopped publishing the figures in the 1910s because they were embarrassed at how much Scotland didn't get back. Unless you stick them with their population share of UK debt (which is mostly taken ...
by Illiander
Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:31 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

The UK Treasury has already said that it will be responsible for *all* of the UK's debt repayments. (As the UK is claiming to be the "continuing state" this makes perfect sense) The SNP has offered what are essentially foreign aid payments to help them with that, after they lose the income...
by Illiander
Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:20 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

The SNP plan is to join Nato as a non-nuclear partner. (There's no way that the UK's nuclear deterrent is staying in Scottish waters if we go independent) Given the stratigic location, and that the USA is trying to get the UK to drop their nuclear deterrent anyway, I don't think anyone seriously thi...
by Illiander
Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Scottish Independence
Replies: 239
Views: 40614

Re: Scottish Independence

(I've been reading for ages, very rarely comment) Ok, as an English-born living in Scotland for most of my life, I'll weigh in here on "the situation on the ground" as it were. First off, Scotland leaving the UK will make essentially no difference to the party political makeup of Westminst...
by Illiander
Wed May 18, 2011 5:32 am UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 0900: "Religions"
Replies: 178
Views: 39553

Re: 0900: "Religions"

None of you live in Edinburgh? The Mosque kitchen is one of the best curry houses in the city. It sits right next to The Backed Potato Shop at the top of the student takeaway/sit-in food list. Yes it started literally out of the back door of a mosque. If you go back before Judeo-Christian religions ...

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